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Offline francis drake

Re: Atheists in Heaven !?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2017, 04:37:31 PM »

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In the scripture we have overwhelming prove that God exists.
That's not true Dave, to the atheists it proves nothing other than what a dead writer believed thousands of years ago.
You and I only believe the bible is true, because we first believed in God. An atheist rejects God and as far as he is concerned the bible is a fairy story.
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so to the atheist I say read your bible and ask God for guidance.

And why do you imagine an atheist would believe what your bible says any more than he believes the Beano?
You don't need a bible to prove God, as Paul makes clear below.-

Romans1v18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Creation itself is the biggest and best testimony to the power of God, far better than an ancient holy book. Creation was around thousands of years before anyone started writing about God.

Don't get me wrong Dave, the bible is crucial to the walk of the believer, but like any text book, it is meaningless to anyone who doesn't believe in its author.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Atheists in Heaven !?
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2018, 04:15:46 PM »
Hi Frances
I will say again In the scripture we have overwhelming prove that God exists. if anyone wishes to believe it or not is entirely up to the and there free will.
but to believe it one must first understand what it says which of course means one has to read it as you say the greatest proof that God exists is creation but how would an atheist know God created everything if no one told him or if he had not read it.
Its no good telling an atheist that God created everything if you cant prove it and the only way to prove it is with scripture

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You and I only believe the bible is true, because we first believed in God. An atheist rejects God and as far as he is concerned the bible is a fairy story.     


This is not true of me I first believed in God after I had read the bible and I read it for all the wrong reasons I know you have had a different experience and that's fine but not everyone comes to know and believe in the same way.

Yes creation is the best proof there is for Gods existence but how would an atheist know which God done the creating he has many Gods to choose from the Greek  and Roman gods for example how do you get him to accept the God of the bible.

Then in this day and age you have the problem of the theory of evolution and science telling us the earth is millions of years old how do you blow this out of the water without using scripture.

Love and Peace
Dave

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