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Shepherds and the night
« on: December 17, 2017, 07:46:50 PM »
both the shepherds and the sheep are in the dark until they are illuminated in the light from heaven so that they can clearly see the danger of and in the darkness especially if they come together in unity to present a common front - any comments - wincam


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Offline francis drake

Re: Shepherds and the night
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2017, 08:07:33 PM »
both the shepherds and the sheep are in the dark until they are illuminated in the light from heaven so that they can clearly see the danger of and in the darkness especially if they come together in unity to present a common front - any comments - wincam

The shepherds would be gathered around a fire or fires and not entirely in the dark.

Unlike today where sheep are driven with dogs, back then the shepherd lived among the flock whilst they were in the hills. At night the various shepherds would gather their various flocks and all join together for mutual protection.
It is likely they had a fire going for protection from wild beasts that might attack the flocks, and their weapon would most likely be a burning torch with which to thrust at any wolves etc.

When they woke they would just call their flock, and they in turn would follow their own shepherd separating themselves from the collective mix of flocks.
Unlike today, the sheep were not frightened by the man who walked among them. He kept them safe and led them to good pasture.


That's why Jesus said, "My sheep know my voice!"
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Shepherds and the night
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 09:31:05 PM »
not entirely in the dark but not entirely in the light[of heaven]described as the brightness of God shone all around them - the sheep were probably in a large enclosed sheep fold with shepherds with individual bonfires at intervals around or sideways imho - wincam
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Re: Shepherds and the night
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 10:50:07 PM »
not entirely in the dark but not entirely in the light[of heaven]described as the brightness of God shone all around them - the sheep were probably in a large enclosed sheep fold with shepherds with individual bonfires at intervals around or sideways imho - wincam
I doubt the sheep were in sheep folds, that's only likely if they were sorting them for shearing or selling. Sheep folds would not protect the sheep from wolves or bears, it would just keep them hemmed in together, a huge amount of work for no useful purpose.

Getting sheep into a small fold without sheep dogs or loads of manpower just doesn't work. Shepherds were mobile guardians of the sheep. As the grass was grazed up, they moved to fresh pastures, and there is no way they would carry tons of woodwork around the mountains to make sheep folds in each new location.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Shepherds and the night
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2017, 11:05:31 PM »
both the shepherds and the sheep are in the dark until they are illuminated in the light from heaven so that they can clearly see the danger of and in the darkness especially if they come together in unity to present a common front - any comments - wincam
What danger was the light from heaven illuminating?

The angels came for the purpose of announcing the arrival of Jesus.

One of the role of the shepherds was to provide sacrificial lambs and that role was going to be superseded by Jesus.

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Re: Shepherds and the night
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2017, 11:14:59 PM »
I doubt the sheep were in sheep folds, that's only likely if they were sorting them for shearing or selling. Sheep folds would not protect the sheep from wolves or bears, it would just keep them hemmed in together, a huge amount of work for no useful purpose.

Getting sheep into a small fold without sheep dogs or loads of manpower just doesn't work. Shepherds were mobile guardians of the sheep. As the grass was grazed up, they moved to fresh pastures, and there is no way they would carry tons of woodwork around the mountains to make sheep folds in each new location.


it was night time and the sheep had been rounded up and were enclosed within the fold which was being guarded in unison so that the angel appeared to the shepherds together and not scattered all over the place - imho - wincam
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