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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 02:02:27 AM »

the Catholic Church was invented by Jesus [Mt 16:19/18:18] - sure Mary co-operated[be it done unto me]and later also paid a very heavy price[a sword shall pierce thy heart] imho - wincam

Have you got the right scripture their @Wincan ? is that Matthew 16:19 ? could you repost the  scripture as [the keys of the Kingdom does notmake sense]

I agree Mary had to be a part of the birth as did Joseph and I do not believe we should under estimate the role of Joseph here / and remember  that it was a disgace at that time to be pregnant without a husband..

I do not see any religion based on Joseph [unless I am wrong] 

I feel  for Zechariah who was used [against his normal will and even muted / made speechless]  under God's Will. [remember Balaam]

It seems only that his name should be "John"

I feel for Mary in many ways - as she battles with a child born of the Holy Spirit and having the visiting Angel..

Many  Christmas plays and narratives have come from this angle - reminding people of the co redemption  [between two people] and how elizabeth went through her chilbirth - or how Mary went thrugh hers = knowing the shame it brought upon them - by a society that did not recognise childbirth outside oftheir own mindset..

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the Catholic Church was invented by Jesus [Mt 16:19/18:18] - sure Mary co-operated


I understand  that wills were blocked here to make a way for Jesus [as with the example of Zechariah and even Joseph had to hold his tongue - in a society that may not have seen Mary in the same way as we see her now.


Tongues would have gossipped and mouths would have wagged in that time and Mary may not have been seen as the pure / but almost like the opposite.

It frustrates me about the men here as they had to lower themselves to get through this time as God's Will began to work through flesh and humankind.

Being lowered to allow God the bring forth "The Light of the world"

I would suggest that the co operaters were not just female - but male
 and that it involved both parties / a pair /couple/families[maybe we should the them the co op ?]

It was the co operation of all concerned at that time / but the initiator was God/Jesus - He was the One who began this and continues to do so - now today .

As we all make way for the King of Kings - you shoulld know this song from old MAKE WAY FOR THE KING OF KINGS

It is as if we step back and allow God's Will....

So @ John asked  go without or enjoying life?


I am sure Zechariah enjoyed losing his speech and Paul enjoyed being blind /John enjoyed being boiled in oil and the prophets enjoyed and were blesssed to be ridiculed = be it for a time - but imagine the physiological affects on the mind and belief system - during these times and the family strain as you bring up a child not knowing who the Father is [as far as the world is concerned]



[As God marches through time and goes against will's - people  lower themselves to make way for a child that  changes their world]









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Offline francis drake

Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 09:11:13 AM »

the Catholic Church was invented by Jesus [Mt 16:19/18:18] - sure Mary co-operated[be it done unto me]and later also paid a very heavy price[a sword shall pierce thy heart] imho - wincam
The Roman Catholic Church was invented by Emperor Constantine. He introduced Roman paganism into the church which we see today in every Catholic church. That paganism was centred around worship of the Roman sun god, Deus Sol Invictus, or the Unconquered Sun God.
If you look you will see that Catholicism is absolutely filled with images of Invictus, the sun god.
Pagan worship of the sun god included processions where the image of Deus Sol Invictus was mounted on a pole and paraded around with adherents bowing before the image. Exactly as Catholics do today when the monstrance with the host is carried through the church by the priest.

For the uninitiated, the Catholic monstrance is usually an ornate golden image of a sun burst with a glass centre behind which the host (wafer) is placed. The wafer is often left there all week where it can be worshipped and prayed to, all encased in a pagan image to the sun god. Yuk!


Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 12:59:04 PM »
The Roman Catholic Church was invented by Emperor Constantine. He introduced Roman paganism into the church which we see today in every Catholic church. That paganism was centred around worship of the Roman sun god, Deus Sol Invictus, or the Unconquered Sun God.
If you look you will see that Catholicism is absolutely filled with images of Invictus, the sun god.
Pagan worship of the sun god included processions where the image of Deus Sol Invictus was mounted on a pole and paraded around with adherents bowing before the image. Exactly as Catholics do today when the monstrance with the host is carried through the church by the priest.

For the uninitiated, the Catholic monstrance is usually an ornate golden image of a sun burst with a glass centre behind which the host (wafer) is placed. The wafer is often left there all week where it can be worshipped and prayed to, all encased in a pagan image to the sun god. Yuk!


it is required and necessary that those who know very little or no philosophy and/or theology just simply simply believe or endlessly plod through philosophy and/or theology - it is wrongly believed and accepted, that some accept the sun as God whereas  they worship the sun as the sun of God - imho - wincam
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Offline francis drake

Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2017, 05:56:59 PM »

it is required and necessary that those who know very little or no philosophy and/or theology just simply simply believe or endlessly plod through philosophy and/or theology - it is wrongly believed and accepted, that some accept the sun as God whereas  they worship the sun as the sun of God - imho - wincam
Do you read what you write before posting, because I can't make head or tail of it.


Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2017, 04:10:51 PM »
Hi Frances
I thought maybe wincom was writing in tongues.  :wink:

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Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2017, 08:38:42 PM »
Hi Frances
I thought maybe wincom was writing in tongues.  :wink:

Love and Peace
Dave
Certainly looks like that Dave.
Do you perchance have the gift of interpretation then? old:
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Re: Co-Redemptrix =
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2017, 10:03:48 PM »

it is required and necessary that those who know very little or no philosophy and/or theology just simply simply believe or endlessly plod through philosophy and/or theology - it is wrongly believed and accepted, that some accept the sun as God whereas  they worship the sun as the sun of God - imho - wincam

Are you saying, @wincam,  that what seemed like worship of the Sun was in fact worship of the Son of God?  The sun being symbolic only? A pictorial representation, designed to simplify, and make tangible that which would otherwise be beyond the understanding of the simple mind?