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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2017, 02:14:44 PM »
O yes balaam had free will [justwhen he opened his mouth God put the words there   :D

Offline francis drake

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 05:55:28 PM »
O yes balaam had free will [justwhen he opened his mouth God put the words there   :D
Again you are stretching things way beyond what scripture says Tes, and beyond what your own church experience proves.

If the words that came from the mouths of prophets were always words that God put there, just imagine how wonderful today's churches would be. The gift of prophecy would be always be perfectly accurate and people's lives would be transformed. But that is certainly not the case.
The truth is that we-
1Cor13v9For we know in part and we prophesy in part;
The truth is that.-
1Cor14v32The spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.

Both of the above are true, and that's why we need the body of Christ to wake up and start functioning with maturity. Then mutual and collective discernment will purify the ministry of the gifts.
But to insist that we (or Balaam) have no freewill in the gifts is a proven fallacy.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2017, 01:26:16 AM »
What do you make of the donkey then ?

Not being able to comprehend the native tongue ! [I won't say english  :D]

How did it speak without know any comprehension of that language [I mean animals are under the authority/rule/reign/dominion/ of mankind .

I mean animals have free will ! 2 Peter 2:16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey--an animal without speech--who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

How can a donkey will - human speech ?


Offline francis drake

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2017, 09:21:33 AM »
What do you make of the donkey then ?

Not being able to comprehend the native tongue ! [I won't say english  :D]

How did it speak without know any comprehension of that language [I mean animals are under the authority/rule/reign/dominion/ of mankind .

I mean animals have free will ! 2 Peter 2:16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey--an animal without speech--who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.

How can a donkey will - human speech ?
Is this more diversion tactics Tes to avoid addressing the point?
The donkey has nothing to do with whether Balaam had freewill does it?

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2017, 09:43:35 AM »
Well that 's good insight on your part... I like your insight there


But Avoiding the answer

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2017, 09:44:34 AM »
Anyway must go to work - see you tonight abot 12 pm when I get home

Offline John

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2017, 02:28:05 PM »
The donkey has nothing to do with whether Balaam had freewill does it?
If balaam could not curse the Israerlites, as he was paid to do, did he have the free will to do what he wanted?

If he had to deliver the message/blessings God gave him, then he had no free will.

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Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2017, 06:08:03 PM »
Hi
Back to that age old question again freewill do we have it I say yes and no yes we have free will but God can and dose over ride it sometimes if it suits his purpose.
this is proved by the story of Jonah he tried to do a runner but God brought him back and he did the will of God which at first he did not want to do.
All through scripture God choses certain people to do his will he chose Abraham Isaac Jacob  Moses we are not told why and those who are chosen do not seam to be anything special.
But when one is chosen one dose Gods bidding and yes God overrides the free will but there are relatively few who are chosen.

Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.
   
 
The rest of us have free will to Love God of our own free will from the heart and this is what God seeks.

now after making an ass of myself like Balaams donkey Ill say goodnight.

Love and peace
Dave