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Full filled Fantasy ?
« on: December 08, 2017, 07:49:50 PM »
is it possible for someone to be full of the Holy Spirit and yet not a Christian - twinc


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Offline francis drake

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2017, 09:17:52 PM »
is it possible for someone to be full of the Holy Spirit and yet not a Christian - twinc

Yes.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2017, 06:41:39 AM »
Yes.


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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 01:38:52 AM »
Numbers 24:1 Now when Balaam saw that it pleased the Lord to bless Israel, he did not resort to divination as at other
times, but turned his face toward the wilderness. 2When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the
Spirit of God came on him 3and he spoke his message:


Balaam sent seven messages ending with verse 24.

Balaam was said to  be wicked/evil - in the sight of the Lord as many more kings were  and God even used a donkey
"filled with the Holy Spirit to speak....

Amazing how the spiritual can affect the physical [against it's normal will]


The spiritual is far greater than the physical.......... no and   so I not agree with coincidence or  the Job story   being above human experience.

Scrpture is there for a reason .


I remember Does the future depend on us or God ?


Human will is not above God's Will and I have just given you the scripture to confirm this


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Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 10:45:58 AM »
is it possible for someone to be full of the Holy Spirit and yet not a Christian - twinc

Hi Twinc
I believe the answer is no depending on what you mean by full of the Holy Spirit I take that to mean as the Apostle's were at Pentecost in which case the answer is definitely no.

No the other hand I believe that God uses the Holy Spirit to speak through unbeliever's and when they have served God purpose the Spirit leaves them and returns to God it's not a permanent indwelling as with the apostles and believers.

An example of this is.

.49  And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

 50  Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

 51  And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation       


Here God spoke through the high priest this prophecy came from God via the Holy Spirit but The Holy Spirit did not have a permanent indwelling in him.

God is sovereign ruler over all thing's he uses whom he will to further his purpose.

Love and peace
Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 06:47:03 PM »
Numbers 24:1 Now when Balaam saw that it pleased the Lord to bless Israel, he did not resort to divination as at other
times, but turned his face toward the wilderness. 2When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the
Spirit of God came on him 3and he spoke his message:


Balaam sent seven messages ending with verse 24.

Balaam was said to  be wicked/evil - in the sight of the Lord as many more kings were  and God even used a donkey
"filled with the Holy Spirit to speak....

Amazing how the spiritual can affect the physical [against it's normal will]


The spiritual is far greater than the physical.......... no and   so I not agree with coincidence or  the Job story   being above human experience.

Scrpture is there for a reason .


I remember Does the future depend on us or God ?


Human will is not above God's Will and I have just given you the scripture to confirm this
Nonsense Tes. Go read it all again, your scripture confirms nothing of the sort.
If Adam could rebel against God's will, then you can rebel, I can rebel and anyone can rebel against God. Our collective history shows constant rebellion against God's ideal will.

Jeroboam's Rebellion
1Kings11v29And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field: 30And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces: 31And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee.............:


............37And I will take thee, and thou shalt reign according to all that thy soul desires, and shalt be king over Israel. 38And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.

God gave amazing promises to Jeroboam. He would be given ten of the twelve tribes of Israel, and if he walked in the ways of God, then the Lord would build him a sure house just as he had done with David.

So did Jeroboam do what the Lord asked?
No, he did the very opposite and took the Northern kingdom into even deeper sin and rebellion by erecting golden calves like the one that brought God's judgement and slaughter in the wilderness as they fled from Egypt..

1KIngs12v28Whereupon the king (Jeroboam) took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 29And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.

In the years following Jeroboam's rejection of God, the words "the sin of Jeroboam whereby he caused Israel to sin" are repeatedly found in scripture. Eventually the Lord sent the Assyrians to destroy Israel and take the remnant captive.
They are commonly known as "the lost ten tribes of Israel", because unlike Judah, there is no record of Israel ever returning from captivity.
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Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 01:10:40 AM »
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Nonsense Tes. Go read it all again, your scripture confirms nothing of the sort.


wots nonsense ?

I was led to that story being that God spoke through a donkey - The point I am making is that balaam wanted to curse Israel -  Deuteronomy 23:3-6

Numbers 24:2 When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came on him


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Offline francis drake

Re: Full filled Fantasy ?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2017, 08:57:03 AM »
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wots nonsense ?

I was led to that story being that God spoke through a donkey - The point I am making is that balaam wanted to curse Israel -  Deuteronomy 23:3-6

Numbers 24:2 When Balaam looked out and saw Israel encamped tribe by tribe, the Spirit of God came on him
Balaam only blessed Israel because God threatened to kill him when he was riding his donkey. Balaam was not an Israelite and was not in the same covenant as they.
You need to read the whole story of Balaam because it shows the very opposite of what you claim.
Eying up the financial rewards he was losing, Balaam very reluctantly spoke the words God gave him. According to Revelation, he then betrayed those words for financial reward by handing Balak a successful strategy.
Rev2v14But I have a few things against you, because you have some there holding the teaching of Balaam, who would teach Balak to cast a snare before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.

Jude1v11Woe to them, because they have gone in the way of Cain, and rushed for profit (wages) to the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

2Peter2v15Having forsaken the straight way, they have gone astray, having followed in the way of Balaam son of Bosor, who loved the wage of unrighteousness.

If Balaam had no freewill, he would not have been allowed to undermine the prophetic words he had given. Even though he dare not curse Israel with words, he succeeded in cursing it by deception.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)