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Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« on: November 25, 2017, 11:04:03 AM »
'But the children of the kingdom
shall be cast out into outer darkness:
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

(Mat 8:12) 

* Who are the children of the kingdom?
* Why will the children of the kingdom be cast out into outer darkness?
* What is outer darkness?



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Re: Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2017, 02:05:50 PM »
As you are not taking the verse in context it can mean what ever you can twist it to mean.

in context:-
5 kWhen he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 ?Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.? 7 And he said to him, ?I will come and heal him.? 8 But the centurion replied, ?Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but lonly say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ?Go,? and he goes, and to another, ?Come,? and he comes, and to my servant,3 ?Do this,? and he does it.? 10 When Jesus heard this, mhe marveled and said to those who followed him, ?Truly, I tell you, with nno one in Israel4 have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, omany will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 pwhile the sons of the kingdom qwill be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place rthere will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.? 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, ?Go; let it be done for you sas you have believed.? tAnd the servant was healed at that very moment.

Jesus is comenting on the faith of the non jewish centurion which was far greater than the faith shown by the Jews.
As he says many people will come from all over the world to be with Jesus, but that those whos inheretance should be the Kingdom of God, 'the Jews' by their rejection of Jesus will be excluded from being where Jesus is.

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Re: Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2017, 02:11:29 PM »
As you are not taking the verse in context it can mean what ever you can twist it to mean.

in context:-
5 kWhen he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 ?Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.? 7 And he said to him, ?I will come and heal him.? 8 But the centurion replied, ?Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but lonly say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ?Go,? and he goes, and to another, ?Come,? and he comes, and to my servant,3 ?Do this,? and he does it.? 10 When Jesus heard this, mhe marveled and said to those who followed him, ?Truly, I tell you, with nno one in Israel4 have I found such faith. 11 I tell you, omany will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12 pwhile the sons of the kingdom qwill be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place rthere will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.? 13 And to the centurion Jesus said, ?Go; let it be done for you sas you have believed.? tAnd the servant was healed at that very moment.

Jesus is comenting on the faith of the non jewish centurion which was far greater than the faith shown by the Jews.
As he says many people will come from all over the world to be with Jesus, but that those whos inheretance should be the Kingdom of God, 'the Jews' by their rejection of Jesus will be excluded from being where Jesus is.

Hello @John,

I expected the reader, to do as you have done so well. To look at the context in order to make a considered response.

You have told me who the children of the kingdom are, and why the children of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness, but have not made any comment as to what that outer darkness is, John.  Any thoughts on that?

Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Cariad



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Re: Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2017, 02:39:09 PM »
'But the children of the kingdom
shall be cast out into outer darkness:
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

(Mat 8:12) 

* Who are the children of the kingdom?
* Why will the children of the kingdom be cast out into outer darkness?
* What is outer darkness?

Hi Chris
Thank you for the question

The children of the kingdom are Israel when they rejected and crucified our Lord God rejected them they Died this is the outer darkness the spiritual death of Israel.
But Israel will be raised up in the end time when they repent and accept Jesus Christ as there Messiah and King.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 03:26:39 PM »
Hello @John,

You have told me who the children of the kingdom are, and why the children of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness, but have not made any comment as to what that outer darkness is, John.  Any thoughts on that?

Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

See what I wrote Cariad:-
"As he says many people will come from all over the world to be with Jesus, but that those whos inheretance should be the Kingdom of God, 'the Jews' by their rejection of Jesus will be excluded from being where Jesus is."

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Re: Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 04:05:10 PM »
See what I wrote Cariad:-
"As he says many people will come from all over the world to be with Jesus, but that those whos inheretance should be the Kingdom of God, 'the Jews' by their rejection of Jesus will be excluded from being where Jesus is."

Thank you, John.

This applies to the millennial reign of Christ, doesn't it? There will be those of the nation of Israel who will be denied entry.  Yet, this term, 'outer darkness' is worth further consideration I believe, taking into consideration the nature of the times in which the reign of Christ will take place.

Some other time, perhaps. (I'm going to take a break)
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Matthew 8:12 - 'Who?' 'What?' and 'Why?'
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 04:23:24 PM »
"This applies to the millennial reign of Christ, doesn't it? There will be those of the nation of Israel who will be denied entry.  Yet, this term, 'outer darkness' is worth further consideration "

Why should it be applied to the "millennial" reign of jesus?
Why isn't it just a discription of people from all over the world coming to faith in Jesus and gaining a heavenly reward that is denied to those who have rejected Jesus.

Heaven is where God and Jesus are and as rev tells us they are the source of its light. So it follows that to excluded from there prescence means exclusion from All light. Where every the lost are it is in darkness.