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Luke 23:43 and the word 'Paradise'
« on: November 21, 2017, 02:12:29 PM »
'And Jesus said unto him,
Verily I say unto thee today,
shalt thou be with me in paradise.'

(Luk 23:43) 

This verse is used by many as a proof verse of immediately going to heaven after death. However, is paradise heaven?

It seems from Rev. 2:7, that it is associated with the tree of life, which is associated with the garden of Eden, which is associated with the earth (Gen. 2:9) and the new earth (Rev. 21:24, 22:2). How many times is Paradise used in the bible anyway?  (3 times) - Luke 23:43; 2Cor.12:4; Rev.2:7) - the concordance describes it as a place of future happiness.

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Re: Luke 23:43 and the word 'Paradise'
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2017, 07:19:06 AM »
Does it matter what word is used?

The key element is that the repentant thief was told that, " Today You will be with Me!"

Paradise, heaven, abode of the dead, so what he and those who are trusting in Jesus will be with him.

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Re: Luke 23:43 and the word 'Paradise'
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 11:21:05 AM »
Does it matter what word is used?

The key element is that the repentant thief was told that, " Today You will be with Me!"

Paradise, heaven, abode of the dead, so what he and those who are trusting in Jesus will be with him.
Hello @John,

The word itself is important for it informs us at to it's location, and also the time of the fulfilment of the promise made. For if paradise means heaven, then the Lord Himself did not ascend into heaven until at least after speaking to Mary Magdalene following the three days spent within the grave awaiting His resurrection. If paradise, as the references I gave indicate, it refers to the New Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven to the earth, in Rev.20, then the fulfilment of the Lord's promise is yet future.

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Re: Luke 23:43 and the word 'Paradise'
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2017, 02:24:17 PM »
Hi
Paradise what or where is it I believe we are in it this is what God created in the beginning a wonderful Paradise called earth then he created man to live in it and tend it and we Know what happened next.

The planet we live on is fantastic its wonders never cease to amaze me its a really beautiful place unfortunately man with the help of satan has turned it into a hell.

But we Have Gods promise there will be a new Heaven and Earth

Rev 21:1  And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5  And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful     


I believe that this planet earth will be the transformed into the new earth and it will be glorious and what will make it work is LOVE God is LOVE.

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Re: Luke 23:43 and the word 'Paradise'
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2017, 08:35:23 AM »
Hello @John,

The word itself is important for it informs us at to it's location, and also the time of the fulfilment of the promise made. For if paradise means heaven, then the Lord Himself did not ascend into heaven until at least after speaking to Mary Magdalene following the three days spent within the grave awaiting His resurrection. If paradise, as the references I gave indicate, it refers to the New Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven to the earth, in Rev.20, then the fulfilment of the Lord's promise is yet future.

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Cariad
And we are told where it is. It is where Jesus is. As to when.
Heaven is not with in this universe, it is outside of time. So it is equally possible for Jesus while in time to spend three days in the tomb, with those in hell. Outside of time Jesus could also be welcoming the thief into heaven.