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Offline francis drake

Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2017, 05:23:51 PM »
The subject of this thread was derailed soon after it began as far as I am concerned, so the introduction of yet another train of thought would have made no difference.

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You have posted a whole load of other verses to support your OP thesis, but then object when others do likewise?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2017, 05:49:46 PM »
You have posted a whole load of other verses to support your OP thesis, but then object when others do likewise?

This is not true.

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Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2017, 10:40:27 AM »
Hello there,

It is almost the end of 2017, and I have begun reading from Genesis chapter one, with the view to reading through the Bible from beginning to the end. Yet I find myself, yet again, caught and held by the consideration of the first few verses of this 'Beginning' of God's creation.  How wonderful it is, isn't it?

* In considering the detail, and words used, within these opening verses, I came upon a marginal reference which brought me to Luke 23:43, yet again.  I had been searching out references to the words, 'heaven and earth' (which are always plural, except in Genesis in Genesis 2:1), and came to Deuteronomy 4:26a,

'I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, ... ...'.

* In the marginal notes beside this verse, references were given to the Biblical usage of these two words, 'this day'; with the information that these words are a solemn Hebrew idiom used for great emphasis; and adding that it is this Old Testament idiom which is used by our Lord in Luke 23:43, to give solemn emphasis to the fact that the thief would indeed be with Him in paradise. It relating not to the time spoken ' today', but to the promise given, that the thief would be with Him in paradise.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

References:
Deut.4:26,39,40;
Deut.5:1; 6:6; 7:11;
Deut.8:1,11,19;
Deut.9:1,3; 10:13;
Deut.11:2,8,13,26,27,28,32;
Deut.13:18; 15:5,15; 19:9;
Deut.26:3,16,17,18; 27:1,4,10;
Deut.28:1,13,14,15;
Deut.30:2,8,11,15,16,18,19; 32:46.

* I wish you a happy new year for 2018. :)


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Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2017, 02:37:07 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for sharing that very interesting post and I hope you will have a long and fruitful read as I'm sure you will and I hope you share  your findings.

As for the thief on the cross dose it really matter when he gets to paradise the most important thing is we know Christ will keep his promise and the thief will be in paradise the we can ask him when he arrived when our Lords promise is realised by all believers.

Love and Peace
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Happy new year

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Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2017, 02:25:47 PM »
Hi Dave,

Thank you for your good wishes.

The truth concerning the words spoken by the Lord to the thief, and the time of their fulfillment matters because this text is, as you know, used to substantiate a belief, traditionally held, concerning the state of the dead. 

So much is built upon verses such as this one, wrongly interpreted and applied, that it is vitally important to get it right.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris
on this subject I am in total agreement with you yes it is important to get it right as you say but then the question arises who is right and who is wrong there are so many different interpretations on the scriptures if we listened to them all we would become very confused.

I have noticed over the years on the forums that its very rarely anyone changes there mind about what they believe and that applies to me as well we tend to dig our heels in and give the impression that I'm right  and everyone else is wrong.

So what can we do I think the only thing we can do is give our opinion our interpretation our theology or what ever you like to call it in a friendly and loving manner and accept others opinion in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2017, 02:59:05 PM »
Hi Chris
on this subject I am in total agreement with you yes it is important to get it right as you say but then the question arises who is right and who is wrong there are so many different interpretations on the scriptures if we listened to them all we would become very confused.

I have noticed over the years on the forums that its very rarely anyone changes there mind about what they believe and that applies to me as well we tend to dig our heels in and give the impression that I'm right  and everyone else is wrong.

So what can we do I think the only thing we can do is give our opinion our interpretation our theology or what ever you like to call it in a friendly and loving manner and accept others opinion in the same way.

Love and Peace
Dave


why is this day different to the days of creation which according to some are as a thousand years - plenty of time for the thief to be born again and again as a Christian and make it to heaven = paradise is not heaven - twinc
it to heaven
carpe diem/semper fidelis

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Re: Luke 23:43, misunderstanding caused by punctuation error
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2017, 08:41:03 PM »
Time and space is irrelevant to the spirit, therefore where the comma is, is also irrelevant.  Just a thought. :o