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Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« on: November 21, 2017, 01:26:02 PM »
Hello again,

Why did John the Baptist baptise?

The reason is given by himself in John 1:31, isn't it? :-

'And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water.'


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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2017, 07:38:09 AM »
More to the point, why did the people want to hear him and why did they respond to his message?

Go to your high street and try preaching John's message and see what responce you'll get.

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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 10:15:14 AM »
More to the point, why did the people want to hear him and why did they respond to his messarge?
Go to your high street and try preaching John's message and see what responce you'll get.
'And I knew Him not:
but that He should be made manifest to Israel,
therefore am I come baptizing with water.'

(John 1:31)

Hello @John,

Thank you for responding.

I do not think that what you say is, 'more to the point', for this is not the subject I raised: but actually why John was called upon to baptise; which as he himself said, was for the purpose of making manifest the Messiah (the Lord Jesus Christ Himself) to Israel. That was God's purpose in regard to the baptism performed by John.

Actually, John's particular good news ('Repent ye: for the kingdom of God is at hand') would not have been preached in our streets then or now, for it had reference to Israel as a nation specifically, and the kingdom of heaven was 'nigh', or, 'at hand'  in that the king himself was actually in their midst (Luke 17:21) : but they did not know it.  It was He that John was to make manifest to them by baptism. That was it's purpose.

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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2017, 08:23:55 AM »
I think it is highly relevent.
 If people in John's day had responded in the same way as people in our day. That is they would ignore him and his message there would have been no baptisms.

John preached about the need for personal holiness, to avoid a sinful life and to show that one had repented by being publicly baptised.

Why did crowds respond?

Partly it would have been curiosity, with no tv, or internet news spread by word of mouth and people would go to see for themselves.
Clearly John was a powerfull preacher aided by the Spirit people were convicted of the need to change their lifestyles.

To go for baptism was not a light action. People put great value on their reputation (face) and to be baptised meant publicly admitting they wre a 'sinner' not a nice respectable person.

John baptised because the message he preached changed lives.

He was preparing souls for Jesus's message.

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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2017, 08:23:40 PM »
I think it is highly relevent.
 If people in John's day had responded in the same way as people in our day. That is they would ignore him and his message there would have been no baptisms.

John preached about the need for personal holiness, to avoid a sinful life and to show that one had repented by being publicly baptised.

Why did crowds respond?

Partly it would have been curiosity, with no tv, or internet news spread by word of mouth and people would go to see for themselves.
Clearly John was a powerfull preacher aided by the Spirit people were convicted of the need to change their lifestyles.

To go for baptism was not a light action. People put great value on their reputation (face) and to be baptised meant publicly admitting they wre a 'sinner' not a nice respectable person.

John baptised because the message he preached changed lives.

He was preparing souls for Jesus's message.
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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2017, 08:42:35 PM »
I think it is highly relevent.
 If people in John's day had responded in the same way as people in our day. That is they would ignore him and his message there would have been no baptisms.

John preached about the need for personal holiness, to avoid a sinful life and to show that one had repented by being publicly baptised.

Why did crowds respond?

Partly it would have been curiosity, with no tv, or internet news spread by word of mouth and people would go to see for themselves.
Clearly John was a powerfull preacher aided by the Spirit people were convicted of the need to change their lifestyles.

To go for baptism was not a light action. People put great value on their reputation (face) and to be baptised meant publicly admitting they wre a 'sinner' not a nice respectable person.

John baptised because the message he preached changed lives.

He was preparing souls for Jesus's message.


we must try and understand this as it is written - the baptism of John was the baptism of gentiles into Judaism but was misunderstood then to include jews same as born again now is misunderstood by Christians to include them - what is even more surprising and is not asked is why did John and Mary and the Apostles not hurry to be baptised like every body else - wincam
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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 07:50:06 AM »
Wincam,
                 From your reply it is clear you haven't read what the bible does say.
John preached to Israel, the pharases etc interagated him. This shows he was preaching to and having an impact on the ordinary Jewish people.

As to why didn't the disciples get baptised by John.
You haven't read how Jesus spoke to to of John discipes and they followed him. Not all of Jesus's discipl;eswere baptised by John, but some clearly were and once they had met Jesus, John was irrelevent.

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Re: Why did John the Baptist Baptise?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 03:14:46 PM »
Wincam,
                 From your reply it is clear you haven't read what the bible does say.
John preached to Israel, the pharases etc interagated him. This shows he was preaching to and having an impact on the ordinary Jewish people.

As to why didn't the disciples get baptised by John.
You haven't read how Jesus spoke to to of John discipes and they followed him. Not all of Jesus's discipl;eswere baptised by John, but some clearly were and once they had met Jesus, John was irrelevent.


just old hat - even now thousands flock to the likes of Billy Graham believing they must be born again etc so not only are they wrong but also Billy Graham so also was the case with John the Baptist - btw never ever heard whether Billy Graham was born again - twinc
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