Author Topic: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?  (Read 165 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Online francis drake

Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 12:03:51 PM »

not at all nonsense - it seems you still have not quite understood and accepted Christianity - the thief on the cross entered paradise not heaven where he waited to be born gain as a little Christian child who would simply believe - twinc

Paradise is part of the God's heavenly kingdom.

2Cor12v2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know?God knows. 3And I know that this man?whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows?
4was caught up to paradise............


Paul initially calls it heaven, and then calls it Paradise.
If the thief was taken to Paradise, he was taken to heaven.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Cariad

  • Awarded Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 232
  • Total likes: 10
  • Thanked: 18 times
  • Welcome our New Member
Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 12:35:30 PM »
Hi Chris
There maybe another aspect to his baptism he was baptised in the Jorden as was Israel when they passed through the Jorden into the promised land the land flowing with milk and honey was this meant to be Israels Paradise.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave,

Forgive me for not answering this post at the time you entered it.

I don't think that the fact that it was the Jordan river that our Lord was baptised in, had any bearing upon the reason for His baptism.  The land will indeed be Israel's inheritance, as promised by God through the prophets, and when the New Jerusalem descends upon mount Zion, then paradise will  be there in the land, upon the new earth, with access to the tree of life, which will be within it.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Offline davetaff

  • Awarded Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1470
  • Total likes: 107
  • Thanked: 45 times
  • Gender: Male
  • New :God is Love
Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 02:20:38 PM »
Hi Dave,

Forgive me for not answering this post at the time you entered it.

I don't think that the fact that it was the Jordan river that our Lord was baptised in, had any bearing upon the reason for His baptism.  The land will indeed be Israel's inheritance, as promised by God through the prophets, and when the New Jerusalem descends upon mount Zion, then paradise will  be there in the land, upon the new earth, with access to the tree of life, which will be within it.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I believe that his baptism in the Jorden was very important as you know I see Israel as the first Adam of this creation and  Christ follows the same stages of Israels creation he went into Egypt he returned he went through the Jorden he had 12 apostles one was rejected 2 took his place.
Israel had 12 sons 1 was rejected the 2 sons os joseph took his place all this can not be coincidence.

Apart from that I agree with your post and  the reason for his baptism was to prepare him for his priesthood.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2017, 01:13:05 AM »
all this just because the importance and significance of Baptism is not noticed or accepted when it is here explained by words and example = heaven is opened and we are accepted back as heirs and sons of God = the sequence is first water and then spirit =
Quote
Quote
Quote
Quote
Quote
Quote
Quote
Quote
heaven is closed to non baptised = wincam


Firstly Adan and Eve were never baptised / but were saved/ from paradise into the world and saved by having the blood shed - long before it was... [although you could argue that no one was ever saved by the blood of goats or rams] so this animal fur covering was never acceptable]


Although by stating this - we excommuncate the original couple and state that "Mankind is doomed"


Secondly...

Paradise is a synonym in most cases [throughout scripture] for heaven

Uses of the word can refer the "the garden of Eden" or seen by the hebrews as meaning "heaven"

A garden could be  likened to the "the land of milk and honey" as in Joshua 24:13 - Exodus 6:8 - Deuteronomy 6:10 - [this can be a type of Eden/paradise]

A place where God is can also mean "heaven" in this it can be said that "heaven is in us" as per "the Kingdom is in you"


You get the hebrew/Jewish/ connection once you read about  "Abraham's bosom" where the separation occurs - where the great chasm had been made/created/not by God/but by the separaration [in the garden of paradiseEden/ their was sin and so Adam and Eve were excommunicated from it/   in a sense Adam and Eve were in a type of new earth [too much emphasis is put on heaven by believers / when they will spend eternity [having a beginning but no ending] on a new earth with God/new Eden/Paradise.

Paradise was never a temporary dwelling place as in or for the thief on the Cross .


Now lets open the can of worms by stating that we can enter heaven "by being a thief" when all we have to do is believe "in a second" and only at death or at a time of a Cross roads in our life.  you could  refer this  too Acts 16:31

This treads against most theology that states "there must be repentance, their must be a change of life style, their must be an ongoing walk, you must be baptised, etc ect etc.

Most would excuse this due to the thief being crucified - having never had the chance to walk with Christ.

Therefore the theology that "You must" is nullified.

Now the thief may be walking the new earth /now today/ the new Eden/Garden/heaven/land of milk and honey/paradise/ as today can be our's if we believe / today / in our hearts [not always public]

Obviously satan believes in God and so do his demons /today/ and throughout eternity [eternity being that had a beginning and that they also dwelt in a garden /paradise/ Ezekiel 28:13"You were in Eden, the garden of God

I believe God makes a distinction between those who are His and those who are not - in this case.

Hence  "Abraham's bosom" where the separation occurs" satan was in a garden/paradise/heaven/a place where God is/  and then in Eden and on this earth /thrown down/  but the separation occurs on the new earth/heaven/paradise/ a place where God is... but satan will not be.







Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2017, 01:33:36 AM »
Who shall enter paradise/heaven/a place where God is/


Revelation 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it
, - Revelation 21:8 - Revelation 22:15 .


Now we shut the door to heaven, on the Apostle Paul, Moses, Abraham, King David,  the thief on the Cross - etc

By the "you must be" or you "must do"  in fact we close the door on ourselves.


Just a few thoughts. [although I would suggest it is where God enters and maybe the person has no chance to respond]


Aka : Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world John 1:29

Thier is no response referred to in the case of lazarus the beggar... but the chasm had already been fixed.

In this instance Lazarus the beggar was seen by the Jews as a dog.



One of the reasons I do what I do today [in my work/world] is because this is what God led me into and even though things have got really bad - I continue to do what I believe "not because scripture says" but because God Himself said...


So when God speaks upon your life today/listen/ and do it, as in James 1:22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it/He/  says This is the spoken or the written Word of Godand as you are folowing God/Jesus through the Holy Spirit - it is not just doing what scripture says [past /experience/knowledge/] but hearing and doing, as in Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
 

Again this is the hearing of a word from Christ and not just scripture/gospel/ it is the doing of the "now word" and not just the following of a word /a past scripture/ .

It is the Living Word - now today also - to do as He says /speaks upon your life. an ongoing word /alive today.

You might observe that both the thief on the Cross and the beggar named Lazarus [never had the chance to expereince either.




Offline Cariad

  • Awarded Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 232
  • Total likes: 10
  • Thanked: 18 times
  • Welcome our New Member
Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2017, 03:28:18 AM »
@Tes Johnson Re: Replies #11 & #12

Hello Tes,

The word, 'Paradise', is only found in three places (Gr. 'Paradeisos') (Strong' s No. G3857):-
( Luke 23:43; 2 Cor.12:4; Rev.2:7 )

In the Old Testament, 'The garden of Eden', is also referred to as, 'the garden of the Lord'. The word used for the garden of Eden, is used for every reference to a garden in the Old Testament: it is used literally and figuratively. The Strong' s No. is H01588 = (Heb. 'Gan').  The identifying feature linking the word, 'paradise', with the garden of Eden is the presence of, 'the tree of life', see - (Rev.2:2; Rev. 22:2; Rev. 22:14; Gen.2:9; Gen.3:22).

I don't agree with you when you maintain that it refers to heaven, or generally, 'a place where God is'.  It is used much more specifically than that.

As for, 'Abraham's bosom', this was pharisaic teaching, and is not the subject of God's Word. Luke 16:22 is the only reference to it: used by our Lord, when speaking to the Pharisees; and then only to illustrate the way that their teaching made the Word of God of none effect regarding the state of the dead: for they believed that the dead could communicate with the living. Also, to show the absolute necessity of resurrection for one to rise from the dead (Luke 16:31)

The rest of your two entries is a matter between you and wincam, I will not comment further.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Cariad


PS.  It is not without reason that our Lord, warned, 'Beware the doctrine of the Pharisees', but tragically it has gone unheeded, and Christendom is riddled with it.

Offline davetaff

  • Awarded Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1470
  • Total likes: 107
  • Thanked: 45 times
  • Gender: Male
  • New :God is Love
Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 12:56:20 PM »
Hi TJ
The Lord himself gave us the answer

. 15  And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him     

That's pretty strait forward is it not.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Why was the Lord Jesus Christ Baptised?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 02:25:36 PM »
true sorry battling witjh intenet and laptop