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Right of Reply
« on: November 10, 2017, 04:48:18 PM »

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In British politics, and in other walks of life elsewhere recently, there have been many incidents of accusations being made against individuals in which they have been given no right of reply. Sometimes it has been done posthumously, so that the good name of the One accused is damaged without any opportunity of proving their innocence. It would seem that they are considered 'guilty until proven innocent', by the press at least, instead of, as it should be in law, 'innocent until proven guilty'.  Now one poor man has taken his own life, because of the accusations and His own lack of opportunity to provide proof of innocence.

Yet, I have done this to a much lesser degree to a fellow member, by saying that she was incorrect in regard to two points raised within a thread, and denied opportunity of reply by saying that to go into detail would derail the thread.  I apologise for that and ask for her forgiveness.

The points raised were in regard to (1) the role of angels and the Church today: and (2) our right to claim the content of Psalm 91:1, and the protection it afforded, to believers today.

In the light of the context of Psalm 91, in which the protection afforded to the children of Israel during their wilderness wandering by the power of the glorious Name of God in verse one, was physical: they came to no harm, by any of the means listed in that Psalm. 

My contention is that believers today are not afforded that same protection, they die, like others, by shootings, vehicle accident, by natural disaster, and God does not intervene, as He did in that Psalm: and in it's application to Christ, at the moment of His temptation by Satan in the wilderness, so many years later. 

The Psalm relates to the wilderness wandering of Israel, in which their shoes did not wear out, and they stepped on the poisonous creatures of that land without harm to themselves. We are not under the shadow of the Almighty in that sense are we?

Regarding angels, I do not believe that believers in this dispensation are the objects of angelic ministry. They are not mentioned in regard to the exaltation of Christ, and He is now seated far above principality, power, might and dominion, and we in Him.

If you have thoughts regarding these subjects, please respond.
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Re: Right of Reply
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 05:35:48 PM »
Hi Cariad

I knew you would disagree with me about the angels!

First, Psalm 91. I have to disagree with you. Yes, it's probably referring originally to the first Passover and the way in which the Israelites were guarded in the wilderness. Yet it's still a promise to "whoever dwells in the shadow of the Most High" (verse 1) - there's no suggestion that it was just the privilege of one generation. Also, even that generation were not supernaturally protected from all accidents and illnesses. Most of them died in the wilderness, many by plagues and some by the bites of poisonous snakes. Like the many other passages in Scripture that promise us protection, it must be balanced by those that warn us that the righteous will not have a charmed life. The psalm is not so much a promise that we are meant to 'claim', as a powerful reminder that God is always in control.

Second, angelic ministry. Billy Graham wrote a wonderful little book (called simply "Angels") in which he gave many testimonies of modern believers who have experienced angelic help. It still happens! Hebrews 1:14 states that the angels are sent to serve "those who will inherit salvation" - which is surely a description of all believers, whichever 'dispensation' they may fall under.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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