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« on: November 10, 2017, 11:57:28 AM »

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Who's opinion is correct or May be I should say interpretation or belief all who post on here has different views.
How can we be certain we are right and others are wrong and how can we show our love for one another when we are always bickering.

The reason I ask this is a verse that Caried posted on another thread which was.

.3  But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ   

The words " the simplicity that is in Christ " are those that struck me are we over working the scriptures are we letting academics and theologians lead us astray from the simplicity that is in Christ.

How can we show our Christian love for one another and still give our opinion on what we believe the scripture are saying to us.

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Re: Opinion's
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 12:20:30 PM »
Hi
Who's opinion is correct or May be I should say interpretation or belief all who post on here has different views.
How can we be certain we are right and others are wrong and how can we show our love for one another when we are always bickering.

The reason I ask this is a verse that Caried posted on another thread which was.

.3  But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ   

The words " the simplicity that is in Christ " are those that struck me are we over working the scriptures are we letting academics and theologians lead us astray from the simplicity that is in Christ.

How can we show our Christian love for one another and still give our opinion on what we believe the scripture are saying to us.

Love and Peace
Dave
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'Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend;
but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.'

(Pro 27:5,6)
 
Hello there,

If we allow our understanding of Scripture to be governed by opinion, either that of ourselves or others, then we are in trouble (1 Cor.2:13; 2 Cor.10:12). The men of Berea, in (Acts 17:11), were applauded for the fact that although they heard the Word preached by Paul, and received it readily; they none the less, also searched the Scriptures (daily) to ascertain whether what they heard was true.  That should be the principle which guides us.

We must take into consideration not only 'what' is written, but 'when', 'by whom', 'to whom', and, 'with what intent', and, 'in what circumstances', taking into consideration the details of the context  in which it comes, and how it relates to the testimony of the rest of Scripture in relation to it's subject matter and words used.

We are not justified in applying every word of Scripture to ourselves and our situation, for not all Scripture is about us, even though all Scripture is for our learning (2 Tim. 3:16).

This is a forum, and the very nature of a forum is to debate matters: the manner in which it is done determines whether it is lovingly done or not; but to be silent when you know something is not Scripturally sound would be wrong; for that only allows others to fall under the same error, for want of a word of caution.

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Re: Opinion's
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 03:34:56 PM »
2 Corinthians 11:3b

' ... the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus'

Paul's godly concern for the believers in Corinth was that they should remain faithful to the truth of the gospel of Christ that they had received: in which Christ was all that was required for their salvation and eternal security.  For they were in danger from those who were enemies of the gospel, who taught another gospel, which appeared right on the surface, but was false at it's core: for it took from Christ His rightful place as the only Saviour and Lord.

They were in danger of being beguiled, as Eve had been by subtle, persuasion. Paul does not fail in his duty to stop them falling into that trap, he speaks out against it, offend or please.

Praise God!

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Re: Opinion's
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 04:12:59 PM »
@davetaff

'Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend;
but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.'

(Pro 27:5,6)
 
Hello there,

If we allow our understanding of Scripture to be governed by opinion, either that of ourselves or others, then we are in trouble (1 Cor.2:13; 2 Cor.10:12). The men of Berea, in (Acts 17:11), were applauded for the fact that although they heard the Word preached by Paul, and received it readily; they none the less, also searched the Scriptures (daily) to ascertain whether what they heard was true.  That should be the principle which guides us.

We must take into consideration not only 'what' is written, but 'when', 'by whom', 'to whom', and, 'with what intent', and, 'in what circumstances', taking into consideration the details of the context  in which it comes, and how it relates to the testimony of the rest of Scripture in relation to it's subject matter and words used.

We are not justified in applying every word of Scripture to ourselves and our situation, for not all Scripture is about us, even though all Scripture is for our learning (2 Tim. 3:16).

This is a forum, and the very nature of a forum is to debate matters: the manner in which it is done determines whether it is lovingly done or not; but to be silent when you know something is not Scripturally sound would be wrong; for that only allows others to fall under the same error, for want of a word of caution.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I agree that scripture should not be governed by opinion but whatever we say about scripture is our opinion is it no but man has turned the simplicity which is in Christ into something so complicated that it has clouded the beauty of Gods word.

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We must take into consideration not only 'what' is written, but 'when', 'by whom', 'to whom', and, 'with what intent', and, 'in what circumstances', taking into consideration the details of the context  in which it comes, and how it relates to the testimony of the rest of Scripture in relation to it's subject matter and words used. 

This a little of what I'm trying to get at rules and regulations for the well educated and academics which make a nonsense of the simplicity of Gods word.
When Christ came he did not go to the scribes and Pharisees the well educated of his day he went to the ordinary man in the street all his disciples were ordinary working men except Paul but he expected them to understand what he was saying.

So why cant we jest believe what is written as it is written do you think it reasonable that we have learn Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic to understand Gods word in that case most of the population of the world don't stand a chance of knowing what God has done fore them.

Yes this is a forum for discussion and debate and that's a good thing but we need to remember that what ever we say about the scriptures is only our opinion it may be right it may be wrong but should we be dogmatic and say I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

1Pe 4:8  And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
   


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Re: Opinion's
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 05:07:40 PM »
Hi
Who's opinion is correct or May be I should say interpretation or belief all who post on here has different views.
How can we be certain we are right and others are wrong and how can we show our love for one another when we are always bickering.

The reason I ask this is a verse that Caried posted on another thread which was.

.3  But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ   

The words " the simplicity that is in Christ " are those that struck me are we over working the scriptures are we letting academics and theologians lead us astray from the simplicity that is in Christ.

How can we show our Christian love for one another and still give our opinion on what we believe the scripture are saying to us.

Love and Peace
Dave

The problem is that there are ambiguities in Scripture - not big ones, it's true (the overall message is crystal clear), but sufficient for honest Bible students to hold different opinions on many issues.
So Cariad and myself both apply Acts 17:11 (examining the Scriptures to check up on what we are told by others) - and yet on many things we reach different conclusions. So it isn't just the academics and the theologians!

As for "overworking the Scriptures", in my experience that's what amateur theologians on forums tend to do. They think they understand Greek and Hebrew because they can refer to Strong's Concordance. They mine the Scriptures deeply, finding tremendous significance in every tiny detail, because they are too proud to read commentaries and gain some real background knowledge. (Not everyone does this, by a long way, but it's very common) And no-one can ever convince them that their methods are wrong! Whereas real theologians have to defend their arguments to other experts who know what they're talking about, so they can't get away with talking nonsense.

We are bound to have differing opinions, but surely we can "agree to disagree" on matters that are of little importance?
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Opinion's
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2017, 02:34:22 PM »
Hi
Thanks for all your replies I think we can agree to differ so long as we do it with love for one another after all we are all part of the same body so let us live in love and harmony with each other.

I did come across this scripture from a wise man and thought it may be relevant

Ecc 12:12  And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
   


Love and Peace
Dave

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