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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2018, 05:14:09 PM »
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Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13  For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14  For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15  And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of it was to be based there ariseth another priest,
     


V12 so the old priesthood is done away with I believe this happened when they rejected our lord what's interesting here is what changed in the law for myself I believe that what changed was how we were to comply with the law I believe we were to keep the law through love if we love God love our neighbour and love our enemies then we keep the law as our lord did.
Our lord said that nothing in the law would disappear until everything was fulfilled so the law remains its how we comply with the law that's changed.
V 13'14 Here we see that there is a clean break with the old priesthood they were completely cut of and a new priesthood was brought in of which our Lord is the high priest.
V 15 So this new priesthood was to be entirely different to the old it was to be based on Melchisedec who was a priest without beginning or end of days so our Lord would be a priest forever not as the old priests who died and had to be replaced our lord is a priest for ever and can be relied on in all generations how wonderful is that.

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Hi Dave
The priesthood changed when the new covenant was brought in - Jesus' rejection was part of that process, but you could say that it began with His baptism (when He was anointed as priest with the Holy Spirit) and completed at His death (when He offered Himself as a sacrifice).
Christ didn't say that the Law would continue unchanged, but that it would be "fulfilled". As our priest, He fulfils all that the Law says about priests, sometimes in the same way but sometimes in a different way.

v12 Since covenant, priesthood and law were intertwined and interdependent, Psalm 110:4 implies not just a new priesthood but a new covenant as well, with different priestly regulations.
v13,14 The most obvious change is the high priest's tribal affiliation. Christ chose to be born into the tribe of Judah, whose members were forbidden to perform priestly functions. (When King Uzziah tried to burn incense, God struck him down with leprosy - II Chronicles 26:16-21)

v15 is only half a sentence, so I'll comment on it with v 16 & 17. But yes, the whole thing is wonderful!
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2018, 02:23:10 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply a good read I will include V15 again not sure how I missed half of it must be getting old and senile  :D

Heb 7:15  And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17  For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18  For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
     


V15 we see here how great our Lord is A priest for ever eternal he will always be there for us no matter what.
V16 here we see he was not made after any written commands or laws but the power of an endless life and what gives him this power but the blood he shed on the cross for the sins of the whole world the power is in the blood.
V17 who is it that testifies it is the Father by the Holy Spirit which gives us great confidence in our high priest.
V18 Here we have the disannulling of the old priesthood there is only one High Priest our Lord Jesus Christ the supreme head of the church which is his body.

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2018, 08:15:30 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply a good read I will include V15 again not sure how I missed half of it must be getting old and senile  :D

Heb 7:15  And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17  For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18  For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
     


V15 we see here how great our Lord is A priest for ever eternal he will always be there for us no matter what.
V16 here we see he was not made after any written commands or laws but the power of an endless life and what gives him this power but the blood he shed on the cross for the sins of the whole world the power is in the blood.
V17 who is it that testifies it is the Father by the Holy Spirit which gives us great confidence in our high priest.
V18 Here we have the disannulling of the old priesthood there is only one High Priest our Lord Jesus Christ the supreme head of the church which is his body.

Love and Peace
Dave

The KJV is a bit obscure here ("disannul" surely ought to mean the opposite of 'annul'!)

v15,16 "What we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life."
Jesus is a different kind of priest altogether - qualified not by virtue of His ancestry but by virtue of His resurrection. He shares the eternal life of God, and this is the basis of His effectiveness as a priest.
v17 quotes Psalm 110:4 as a reminder
v18 "The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless."
In other words, the Levitical priesthood, like every other aspect of the old covenant, didn't work. So Jesus' priesthood has replaced it.
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #83 on: April 19, 2018, 04:14:15 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply you said

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The KJV is a bit obscure here ("disannul" surely ought to mean the opposite of 'annul'!)     

It seams disannul means to annul completely so fits in well with our scripture .

Heb 7:19  For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20  And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21  (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
Heb 7:22  By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
 



V19  the law made nothing perfect so why did God give it to Israel I believe it was to teach us something very important that the only way we can draw nigh to God is through Love to Love him and to Love our fellow man.
V20-21 We see from these verses our Lord was made a high priest by God the father with an oath so we can be 100% sure our Lord is a high priest for ever and sits at the right hand of God ready to intercede for us how wonderful is that.
V22 Due to the above we can be absolutely certain that the testimony Christ has given us from the father is 100% trustworthy.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #84 on: April 19, 2018, 04:48:59 PM »
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It seams disannul means to annul completely so fits in well with our scripture .
Well yes, obviously it does, but you couldn't work that out without having a dictionary (putting 'dis-' on the front of a word usually makes it mean the opposite).
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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #85 on: April 19, 2018, 09:33:05 PM »

Heb 7:19  For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20  And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21  (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
Heb 7:22  By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
 



V19  the law made nothing perfect so why did God give it to Israel I believe it was to teach us something very important that the only way we can draw nigh to God is through Love to Love him and to Love our fellow man.
V20-21 We see from these verses our Lord was made a high priest by God the father with an oath so we can be 100% sure our Lord is a high priest for ever and sits at the right hand of God ready to intercede for us how wonderful is that.
V22 Due to the above we can be absolutely certain that the testimony Christ has given us from the father is 100% trustworthy.

Love and Peace
Dave

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the law made nothing perfect so why did God give it to Israel?
  Paul tells us the answer in Galatians 3. It was a temporary stopgap, keeping sin at bay and showing us how God would eventually deal with it. Without the Law, it would be impossible to understand the significance of what Jesus did on the Cross.
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the only way we can draw nigh to God is through Love to Love him and to Love our fellow man.
No, Dave! The only way we can draw near to God is through Jesus! The Law commanded people to love God (Deuteronomy 6:5) and to love their fellow-men (Leviticus 19:18). But we can't do it! The 'better hope' isn't the command to love, but the consequences of Jesus dying - everything that the writer of this letter is talking about in this chapter. Under the old covenant, access to God was limited and tightly regulated: ordinary people could get no closer to His presence than the outer court of the Temple. But Christ offers us all direct access to God.
v20,21 Another difference between Jesus and the Levitical priests is the way in which our High Priest has been appointed. The Levitical priesthood was set up by God's command (Exodus 28:1); thereafter the high priests succeeded one another automatically by direct descent, according to the Law. But Christ was appointed by God's special declaration - a declaration even more majestic and momentous than the great promise to Abraham that the Preacher mentioned earlier - backed up by God's oath (which, as we have already seen, cannot possibly be altered or set aside). This means that the permanency of Christ's priesthood is guaranteed!
v22 Be careful here, Dave: the word translated 'testament' doesn't mean 'testimony' but 'covenant'. "Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant." It means that we can be absolutely certain of receiving all the benefits of the new covenant: cleansing from sin, access to God, and entry into God's eternal rest. They are underwritten by God's solemn oath!
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2018, 02:20:27 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply very good as usual I would like to clarify if I may what I said
the only way we can draw nigh to God is through Love to Love him and to Love our fellow man.

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No, Dave! The only way we can draw near to God is through Jesus!   

What you said is true without our Lords sacrifice we can do nothing it's through his blood we are cleansed but we still need to Love him and the father the word of God is full of commands to Love.

Mar 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30  And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31  And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
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All of Gods commandments are summed up in these three commands love comes before everything as brother Paul tells us in
 1co 13 which he sums up so

1Co 13:13  And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.   

If we read 1 co 13 we see that everything else takes second place to Love (charity) so this is why I said what I said as you may have gathered from my posts I like to see everything from the aspect of Love, God is Love.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #87 on: Yesterday at 02:11:31 PM »
Hi Deborah
Back to the subject in Hand

Heb 7:23  And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24  But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25  Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
   


V23 I suppose this is true of to day there are no end of priests from every denomination but there is only one high priest over all and he is the one we need to listen to we know his word is true and trustworthy.
V24 Yes our Lord will be our high priest for all eternity he cannot die so we can trust in him entirely no one can snatch us out of his hand.
V25 Like you said in your previous post its through him and by him we come into the presence of God how wonderful.

Love and Peace
Dave