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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #56 on: March 15, 2018, 03:47:58 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your replies I am sur many will benefit from reading it.

Heb 5:10  Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:11  Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14  But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.     


V:5:10-11 as you say best left to chapter 7

V:12 at what point should we become teachers hard question it seams to me we can not know all the oracles  of God so there is no point in waiting for that day to arrive.
should we speak up when presented with an opportunity to speak gods word even if we know but little is a little better than nothing at all.
Should all believers speak up and speak out in so doing spread the word of God.

V5:13  Even milk is very beneficial to new born babes and that's what we all were when we first come to Christ so if milk is all we have at the present let us give it gladly.
But do not be content with milk but push on to maturity.

V5:14 may our God feed us with this strong meat from his word let us pray for it and work for it and let us use it in his service.

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2018, 02:04:06 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your replies I am sur many will benefit from reading it.

Heb 5:10  Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 5:11  Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14  But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.     


V:5:10-11 as you say best left to chapter 7

V:12 at what point should we become teachers hard question it seams to me we can not know all the oracles  of God so there is no point in waiting for that day to arrive.
should we speak up when presented with an opportunity to speak gods word even if we know but little is a little better than nothing at all.
Should all believers speak up and speak out in so doing spread the word of God.

V5:13  Even milk is very beneficial to new born babes and that's what we all were when we first come to Christ so if milk is all we have at the present let us give it gladly.
But do not be content with milk but push on to maturity.

V5:14 may our God feed us with this strong meat from his word let us pray for it and work for it and let us use it in his service.

Love and Peace
Dave         

v12 "By this time you ought to be teachers..." The readers of this letter are being scolded for their immaturity! They need to 'grow up' and take responsibility for their own spiritual health. Otherwise, they are mere 'passengers', relying on more mature believers for assurance and guidance when they should be in a position to enrich the lives of others.
v13 We all start out as spiritual babies, and there's no shame in that; but if we never progress beyond the baby stage, then something is seriously wrong.
Why do so few modern Christians read their Bibles? How can they be so complacent? How can they be content with not knowing Gods's mind on vital doctrinal and ethical issues?
In this day and age, when we have Christian bookshops stuffed with books of all kinds as well as plenty of Bibles (in easy-to-understand translations), and the Internet, none of us has any excuse for not being informed about our faith.
v14 All too often, when confronted with something 'meatier' that the basic gospel, people complain that it's too difficult to understand. But the effort must be made, if we are to realise our full potential.
Melchizedek is an example of the 'solid food' that the writer wants to talk about. Because it's solid, it needs to be chewed thoroughly before digesting it - that's one reason why it needs to be discussed in its proper place, without jumping to conclusions about who he was or why he's important.
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2018, 03:48:24 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply. At what point should we become teachers should we all become teachers or leave it to the clergy I think the more that spread the gospel the better.

Heb 6:1  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2  Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3  And this will we do, if God permit.
   


V6:1-2 I think these two verses sum up the Gospel pretty well and as babes in Christ and Knowing these things we can with confidence pass them on to others and start them on the right road.

V6:3 having this knowledge and keeping it to ourselves is not good  we need to share it with others to those living in darkness letting the light of our lord Jesus Christ shine in us so that those living in darkness will see the light and turn to it.

I would jest like to say if there is anyone else out there who would like to join in please do.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2018, 04:26:03 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply. At what point should we become teachers should we all become teachers or leave it to the clergy I think the more that spread the gospel the better.


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Teaching isn't really about spreading the Gospel (that's "preaching") They are different ministries. We are all responsible for witnessing to Jesus, but only some of us have the gift of evangelism. Similarly, we are all to 'teach' other believers in an informal, low-key way (passing on our wisdom and Christian experience - Colossians 3:16) but only some of us have the gift of teaching. James says that "Not many of you should presume to be teachers because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." (James 3:1) You have to learn before you can teach; people who put themselves forward as teachers without really knowing what they're talking about do more harm than good. It's actually quite an awesome responsibility: false teachers are like savage wolves, even if they don't mean to be.
I don't think teaching should necessarily be "left to the clergy" (some ministers are terrible teachers, and I've done teaching in my own church) - but formal teaching should be left to those with the gift and the necessary knowledge.
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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2018, 02:22:23 PM »
Teaching isn't really about spreading the Gospel (that's "preaching") They are different ministries. We are all responsible for witnessing to Jesus, but only some of us have the gift of evangelism. Similarly, we are all to 'teach' other believers in an informal, low-key way (passing on our wisdom and Christian experience - Colossians 3:16) but only some of us have the gift of teaching. James says that "Not many of you should presume to be teachers because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." (James 3:1) You have to learn before you can teach; people who put themselves forward as teachers without really knowing what they're talking about do more harm than good. It's actually quite an awesome responsibility: false teachers are like savage wolves, even if they don't mean to be.
I don't think teaching should necessarily be "left to the clergy" (some ministers are terrible teachers, and I've done teaching in my own church) - but formal teaching should be left to those with the gift and the necessary knowledge.

Hi Deborah
Thank you for clarifying the difference of preaching and teaching I had not thought of them in that way before thanks.

I was jest wondering do we decide which we will be or dose the Holy Spirit working in us steer us in the direction we should go do you think its the spirit speaking through the believer who decides which road we take.

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2018, 05:52:06 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for clarifying the difference of preaching and teaching I had not thought of them in that way before thanks.

I was jest wondering do we decide which we will be or dose the Holy Spirit working in us steer us in the direction we should go do you think its the spirit speaking through the believer who decides which road we take.

Love and peace
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We don't get to choose which gifts we are given (although we are free to ask!) - the Holy Spirit decides (I Corinthians 12:11), and steers us in the direction He wants us to take (perhaps by giving us particular opportunities).
The only spirit working or speaking through a believer should be the Holy Spirit.
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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2018, 05:59:58 PM »

Heb 6:1  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2  Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3  And this will we do, if God permit.
   


V6:1-2 I think these two verses sum up the Gospel pretty well and as babes in Christ and Knowing these things we can with confidence pass them on to others and start them on the right road.

V6:3 having this knowledge and keeping it to ourselves is not good  we need to share it with others to those living in darkness letting the light of our lord Jesus Christ shine in us so that those living in darkness will see the light and turn to it.

I would jest like to say if there is anyone else out there who would like to join in please do.

Love and Peace
Dave

v1,2 Quite right: these are the things that new Christians need to know (repentance, trust in God for salvation, baptism, receiving the Holy Spirit, and living in the light of eternity). But an ongoing spiritual diet consisting only of the basics of the faith won't bring about much progress towards maturity. If spiritual babies are to be 'weaned', they must also be fed regular small doses of solid, nourishing 'adult' teaching.
This is not to minimise the importance of the fundamentals, but they're not enough on their own to nourish a whole Christian life. They are not to be abandoned (as 'childish'!) but built on. We should learn them well, not in order to forget them again at a later stage but so that we can thereafter take them for granted.
v3 It's now time to stop laying the foundation (if done properly it only needs to be done once!) and start building the rest of the house (which is the real object of the exercise).
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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #63 on: March 21, 2018, 02:33:33 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I do look forward to them always enlightening

Heb 6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5  And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6  If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
   


I think these three verses go together not easy to seperate they are a warning of falling away but is it really impossible to return to God through Christ I was thinking of this verse from Isaiah.

Isa 55:7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
     


Where he says return seams to mean as a second time which seams to contadict what Paul is saying that it's impossible to return.
Or is it because those who have recieved the Holy Spirit and rejected it cannot recieve it again I dont think Israel in general recieved the Spirit but that the Spirit spoke through the prophets.

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