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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 02:28:07 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I take it from your post that that the man spoken of here is mankind I'm not to sure about that I feel the scripture is speaking of Christ.

Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10  For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
   


As we see here in Heb 2:8  here we see the supremacy of Christ he is over everything except the father of course we will have to wait for his return for this verse to become reality.

In  Heb 2:9 we see that it is Jesus who is made lower than the angels the reason being that angles cannot die so Christ had to come in human form so that he could die for the sins of the world.

it is in Heb 2:10 that we see the creator of all thing about to bring forth his crowning glory of creation the body of Christ through his sacrifice on the cross.

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2017, 05:19:56 PM »
Psalm 8 is speaking of the human race in general ("mankind"), because it's referring to the creation of the human race in Genesis 1 - but there is a deeper meaning as well, because Jesus is now our representative just as Adam was. Which is what the writer of the letter goes on to point out in verses 8 & 9!

v8 Mankind muffed it; Adam rebelled and lost his authority (because it was derived from God). As a result, our powers are compromised and our role distorted. Creation remains in a state of semi-chaos, and the promise of the psalm appears to be unfulfilled.
v9 But God's purpose for mankind is beginning to find its fulfilment - in Jesus!
He was "made lower than the angels for a little while" - He took upon Himself all the limitations and frustrations that go with being truly human, even experiencing death (the ultimate expression of our powerlessness) in all its horror. But in dying, He has conquered death!

v10 This starts a new train of thought; it really belongs with the following verses.
It was always the intention of God, the Cause and the Reason for everything, to restore corrupted human beings to their proper glory (Romans 8:29). Christ's mission was to 'blaze a trail' through suffering to glory, forcing a path through where no-one had ever gone before. (and we can now follow Him, if we take the same route).
In what sense was Jesus "made perfect through what He suffered"? His perfection was not the perfection of innocence (of being untouched by suffering), nor a perfection attained by moral development (through undergoing the discipline of suffering), but the perfection of meeting all the necessary criteria for being our Saviour (by having experienced the suffering that is an inevitable part of the human condition).
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2017, 02:59:08 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for that lovely post well presented and a joy to read.

Heb 2:11  For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12  Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13  And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Heb 2:14  Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
   


Heb 2:11  Here we see Christ who sanctifies us and we who are sanctified are all one us in Christ and Christ in us how wonderful is that.

Heb 2:12   here we have Christ declaring the name of the father to us his brethren this he dose through the word of God.

Heb 2:13  I will put my trust in him the words from the cross come to mind " into thy hands I commit my spirit " and we are included we are his children his body.

 Heb 2:14  Is it not wonderful that our Lord became lower than the angles he became as we a human being of flesh and blood so that he could destroy the devil and in so doing destroy the sentence of death hanging over humanity.

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Dave