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Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2018, 03:29:31 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply

V 12 Its so easy to get disheartened to allow ourselves to be overwhelmed by the things happening in our life or when we see all the evil in the world and get depressed and ask questions like where is God the writer here is saying shake of these feelings stand up and have faith trust in God he will keep every promise he has made to us.

V 13  here we are asked to make strait paths the best way to do that is to have a point way of in the distance and keep looking strait at it and walk towards it our point is the light of the world which is Jesus Christ our Lord and do not falter but prey that the lord will sustain you.

V 14 always strive to keep peace with all men be kind considerate loving let these qualities grow so that we can enter Gods rest and be with our Lord and saviour.

Love and Peace
Dave

Good words, Dave

v12 The correct Christian response to adversity is not to give up, but to toughen up! Fighting against God's discipline will only make matters worse; but if we accept it and co-operate with Him, we shall find ourselves strengthened and renewed all the more quickly.
For no matter what we have to endure, we have something better to look forward to. Our long night of suffering will be terminated by Jesus' return and our final liberation from the power of sin and death. In the meantime, our faith needs to be exercised in order to keep it strong.
v13 Rather than meandering through the Christian life, always looking for the easiest route, we should strive to keep a straight course!
If we consistently walk the path of wisdom and faith, we shall make it easier for others (and especially the weaker members of the church) to follow.
v14 Since God's intention for us is holiness, righteousness and peace, we also need to be working towards these goals.
We are to endeavour to live in peace with everyone - especially those within our church fellowship, but even those responsible for afflicting us. But we must do this without compromising on holiness, which isn't an optional extra! We must wage war on indwelling sin, because we can't expect to enjoy a relationship with a holy God unless we ourselves are holy (Matthew 5:8 ).
Neither harmony nor holiness come easily; they must be continually worked at, both in our personal lives and in our church fellowship.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #169 on: August 23, 2018, 03:41:15 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply.

Heb 12:15  Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Heb 12:16  Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17  For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
       


V 15 I think looking to ones self to se we don't fall short of the grace of God, root of bitterness I believe is anything that can steer us away from God things that are not found in scripture manmade doctoring and theology these are thing that can lead many astray and defile us we need to be vigilant and stick to the scriptures.
V 16 In Esau we have a prime example of what not to do he gave away everything he was entitled to for a bowl of food the lesson being don't make flippant promises think very carefully before you commit yourself of what the cost may be especially when it concerns your spiritual life.
V17 when we give our word it is binding  so be careful what you promise and give in pledge our Lord knows what we have promised and we will be held to account.

Love and Peace 
Dave   

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #170 on: August 23, 2018, 05:38:44 PM »
Hi Deborah


V 15 I think looking to ones self to se we don't fall short of the grace of God, root of bitterness I believe is anything that can steer us away from God things that are not found in scripture manmade doctoring and theology these are thing that can lead many astray and defile us we need to be vigilant and stick to the scriptures.
V 16 In Esau we have a prime example of what not to do he gave away everything he was entitled to for a bowl of food the lesson being don't make flippant promises think very carefully before you commit yourself of what the cost may be especially when it concerns your spiritual life.
V17 when we give our word it is binding  so be careful what you promise and give in pledge our Lord knows what we have promised and we will be held to account.

Love and Peace 
Dave

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manmade doctoring and theology these are thing that can lead many astray and defile us
But Dave, that's like what you do with your speculations on the nature of God! We all have a theology of some kind. If you don't listen to the teaching of those who know what they're talking about (and who know the Bible much better than you and I do), in the end you just make up your own theology!

v15 We cannot run the race successfully in our own strength; we are totally dependent on God's grace. It is therefore vitally important that we do not reject that grace. The garden of our faith needs constant 'weeding', lest grace be swamped by pernicious weeds.
Holiness isn't just a personal matter; my individual response to God's grace is a factor in the moral and spiritual health of the whole community. If I become defiled, so does my church! Disloyalty to God (manifested as idolatry or apostasy) is a poison spread by example and influence, which can quickly permeate a whole fellowship. We must watch over one another, and be ready to challenge any such behaviour before it has a chance to spread. This is the responsibility of everyone, not just the leadership.
v16 One of our greatest temptations is to prioritise the delights of this world (such as the gratification of our sex drive) over the pursuit of holiness and submission to God's discipline!
This was what happened to Esau: although he was Isaac?s eldest son and the heir presumptive to Abraham's great blessing, he had no interest in spiritual matters and lived for the immediate gratification of his bodily desires. Such was his disdain for God's promise that he was willing to exchange it for next to nothing (a bowl of lentil soup). The temporary satisfaction of his physical hunger was more important to him than his eternal destiny.
v17 And his worldliness was so gross that he wasn't even capable of genuine repentance! He still expected to enjoy God's blessing without the birthright - to have the reward without the responsibility. But they were inextricably linked together; it was a case of both - or neither.
The truly terrifying aspect of Esau's story is that, having abandoned the 'race' of faith, he could not return to it and pick it up where he left off. Some decisions have permanent consequences! He could not undo what he had done; he discovered to his horror, after passing through the exit door, that there was no handle on the outside...
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #171 on: August 24, 2018, 04:05:36 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your excellent reply.

Heb 12:18  For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:19  And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Heb 12:20  (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Heb 12:21  And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)
   


V 18 here we are taken back to the time what Israel had just left Egypt and came to Sinai a terrifying sight anyone touching it would be put to death it was burning reminds us that our God is a consuming fire only Moses would go up the mountain and God would speak to him and give him his commandments.
V 19 God spoke to Israel out of the fire and the smoke but they could not bare to hear what he said the commandments he gave were to hard to bare and they were terrified and asked that they should not hear Gods voice any more it was not only here they would not listen but all through their history the turned away from god and went there own way.
V 20 Israel could not bare to hear what God commanded It was to hard for them no one and nothing was allowed to touch to mountain this was where God was and nothing unclean or sinful was allowed to come into contact with God.
V 21 Even Moses trembling with fright it must have been a terrible sight any thing coming into contact with the mountain would be stoned have wondered if this is a prophecy of when Christ died at Calvary the stone the builders rejected shortly after Israel ceased to be a nation in a sense Israel died.

Love and Peace
Dave         

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #172 on: August 27, 2018, 09:14:54 AM »
V 18 here we are taken back to the time what Israel had just left Egypt and came to Sinai a terrifying sight anyone touching it would be put to death it was burning reminds us that our God is a consuming fire only Moses would go up the mountain and God would speak to him and give him his commandments.
V 19 God spoke to Israel out of the fire and the smoke but they could not bare to hear what he said the commandments he gave were to hard to bare and they were terrified and asked that they should not hear Gods voice any more it was not only here they would not listen but all through their history the turned away from god and went there own way.
V 20 Israel could not bare to hear what God commanded It was to hard for them no one and nothing was allowed to touch to mountain this was where God was and nothing unclean or sinful was allowed to come into contact with God.
V 21 Even Moses trembling with fright it must have been a terrible sight any thing coming into contact with the mountain would be stoned have wondered if this is a prophecy of when Christ died at Calvary the stone the builders rejected shortly after Israel ceased to be a nation in a sense Israel died.

Love and Peace
Dave         

v18 Unlike the Israelites, we do not have to make a journey to a particular geographical location in order to meet with God.
v19,20 When they got there, they found the phenomena surrounding His approach so terrifying and the sound of His voice so overwhelming that they could not bear it. They had to keep at a safe distance; otherwise His unrestrained holiness would destroy them.
v21 When they did obey the Law, it was out of fear - and when they disobeyed the Law, even Moses was afraid of God's reaction!
These things all underlined the fact that, under the old covenant, God was still essentially unapproachable and unknowable.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #173 on: August 28, 2018, 11:47:32 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply.

. 22  But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

 23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, note

 24  And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel         



V 22 Yes through Christ Jesus we have gained access to the heavenly Jerusalem the heavenly temple of the Lord which will come down from heaven.

.Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God   

That this day would come soon so that we could be with the Lord forever.
V 23 we will join all those who have gone before us and will come after us all those who's names are written in the book of life.
What a fantastic day that will be all the more reason we should keep the faith and walk the strait path that leads to the new Jerusalem.
V 24 And to Jesus Christ the mediator of the new covenant written in his blood and as the blood of the lamb was sprinkled on the door posts to save the Israelites from the Angel of death so we are sprinkled with the blood of Christ which saves us to eternal life and entrance into the new Jerusalem.
And as God had respect for the blood of Able and gave Adam and Eve another son to take his place so God raised up our Lord Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #174 on: August 30, 2018, 11:45:39 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply.

V 22 Yes through Christ Jesus we have gained access to the heavenly Jerusalem the heavenly temple of the Lord which will come down from heaven.

.Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God   

That this day would come soon so that we could be with the Lord forever.
V 23 we will join all those who have gone before us and will come after us all those who's names are written in the book of life.
What a fantastic day that will be all the more reason we should keep the faith and walk the strait path that leads to the new Jerusalem.
V 24 And to Jesus Christ the mediator of the new covenant written in his blood and as the blood of the lamb was sprinkled on the door posts to save the Israelites from the Angel of death so we are sprinkled with the blood of Christ which saves us to eternal life and entrance into the new Jerusalem.
And as God had respect for the blood of Able and gave Adam and Eve another son to take his place so God raised up our Lord Jesus Christ.

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks Dave - although I think the writer is talking about the present, not the future. And I don't get your comparison between Jesus and Abel.

v22,23 Now we can understand what an enormous difference the gospel has made!
The tiny, struggling Christian communities in the Middle East must have seemed unimpressive beside the social and ritual power of Second Temple Judaism (as they do now in comparison with the might of modern Islam) - because the heavenly reality can be appreciated only by faith. When we meet together, we are actually meeting in the presence of God, together with believers from all over the world (and from ages past); when we sing in worship, our voices are joining those of the angelic choirs in heaven. And because this is a spiritual rendezvous, it can happen absolutely anywhere (John 4:21,23).
Unlike Mount Sinai (which was a dark and forbidding place), 'Mount Zion' is ablaze with lights and buzzing with joyful fellowship. It is as if all the pilgrimages to the Jewish festivals in Jerusalem have been rolled into one!
v23 We are enrolled as citizens of God's eternal Kingdom, enabling us - and no-one else - to enter His presence without fear!
And yet, despite these fundamental and far-reaching changes, everything in the old covenant that was of eternal relevance is still there. Those who trusted God then have now been "made perfect" by what Christ has done, and are sharing in all the blessings that we enjoy.
v24 All this is possible because of Jesus - whose blood, shed for our sins, pleads not for vengeance but for mercy and reconciliation.
Abel's blood cried out that justice might be done; Jesus' blood cries out that justice has been done. That's the enormous difference!
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #175 on: August 31, 2018, 02:39:37 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post very uplifting

Heb 12:25  See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26  Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27  And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
       


V 25 we must be very careful to listen to what God has to say through all his prophets and apostels and his beloved son he has spoken to us all through his word when he spoke to Israel through Moses there where terrible consequences for disobedience how much more so if we refuse to listen to our lord who speaks to us from heaven.
we are not under the law but under grace but there are still consequences if we abuse that grace.

V 26 This verse takes us back to Moses and the mountain it was so terrible the people could not stand it God certainly shook the earth at that time and we have gods word that he will do it again not only the earth but the heavens too.

V 27 the things that can be shaken are the thing that have bean made the things that remain are those things that are eternal into which we shall enter.


Love and Peace

Dave