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Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #160 on: August 11, 2018, 03:06:56 PM »

V 35/38 Hers we have a wonderful testimony of all those wonderful saints of the OT all they went through to pass on Gods message to future generations we owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
it was their faith that carried them through unwavering faith that God was with them every step of the way no matter how hard the going got they believed God would save and deliver them in the end.

V 39/40  although they all received a good report a testimony to their faith they did not receive their reward it was still a future event as Paul makes plain in Romans.

Rom 11:26  And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
     
 
We know that we are grafted into the olive tree which is Israel so the fraise all Israel means us who belong to Christ as well this was the time the OT saints were looking forward to the time of restoration of all those who were Gods people.
The deliverer of course is Christ Jesus our Lord and saviour all the things the saints of old longed for will become a reality when our Lord returns to take up his rightful place here on earth King of King and Lord of Lords

COME LORD JESUS COME


Love and Peace

Dave

v35 The sons of the widow of Zarephath (I Kings 17:17-24) and the Shunammite woman (II Kings 4:18-37) were resurrected. But not all the stories of faith have such a happy ending.
v36,37 Faith in God is no guarantee of comfort and security in this life, and does not always win great victories; sometimes it has to embrace apparent defeat. Many of the prophets ended up being martyred, as were many devout Jews during the persecution by Antiochus Epiphanes. They might have purchased a short extension to their earthly lives by renouncing their faith; but that would not have compensated for the loss of eternal life!
It can be harder to live for Christ than to die for Christ. At least martyrdom is quickly over and done with; but the living may have to endure many years of extreme poverty and suffering. Yet many of God's people have been able to face prolonged adversity with serenity and fortitude.
v38 Such people are a gift of God to the world, living beacons of hope, witnesses to the fact that there is a better world to come  - but the world rejects them, to its own condemnation. David, though chosen to be king, was for several years forced to live as an outcast in caves (I Samuel 22:1).
We may be considered 'unworthy' of inclusion in normal society, but by faith we recognise that we do not belong in this world anyway.

v39,40 We can see, then, that the measure of faith is not success or prosperity. It can be expressed in endurance as well as in acts of heroism; some are given the strength to conquer, others the strength to suffer.
And these people were living under the old covenant! Like us, they are redeemed by Christ. But unlike us, they had no experience of inner purification, free access to God, or assurance of salvation. We should not demean or belittle their faith; in some ways it was greater than ours. They knew only the shadows; but we have the substance. They had only promises to sustain them; but we live in the time of fulfilment. If they waited so patiently for Jesus' first coming, should we not wait just as patiently for His second coming?
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #161 on: August 12, 2018, 11:25:03 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for another good post very thought provoking.

Moving on to Hebrews 12

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 1  Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,


 2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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 3  For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

 4  Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin       


V 1 in the previous section we have been reminded of all those wonderful witnesses of the OT and what they endured  I think the message of this verse is patience we must be patient God will deliver in his time not ours.

V 2 Be patient always looking to Jesus always having him before us even Abraham saw his day and was content we see him through the eye of faith.
Consider what our Lord endured for our sakes but it was the joy which was to come to sit at the right hand of God the Father to wait for all his enemies to be made his footstool it was his faith in the Father that sustained him he is the ultimate example of faith let us put everything aside and follow his example of faith.

V 3 yes let's consider Jesus who followed the path set out before him told by all the Saints of the OT he new exactly what was going to happen to him but he never faltered but endured everything set before him what wonderful faith.

V 4 So let us not grow tired but renew our faith fresh every morning looking to Jesus the finisher of our faith we have not suffered as he did the humiliation and the shame and finally the cross all this while we were still sinners.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #162 on: August 12, 2018, 02:26:09 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for another good post very thought provoking.

Moving on to Hebrews 12


V 1 in the previous section we have been reminded of all those wonderful witnesses of the OT and what they endured  I think the message of this verse is patience we must be patient God will deliver in his time not ours.

V 2 Be patient always looking to Jesus always having him before us even Abraham saw his day and was content we see him through the eye of faith.
Consider what our Lord endured for our sakes but it was the joy which was to come to sit at the right hand of God the Father to wait for all his enemies to be made his footstool it was his faith in the Father that sustained him he is the ultimate example of faith let us put everything aside and follow his example of faith.

V 3 yes let's consider Jesus who followed the path set out before him told by all the Saints of the OT he new exactly what was going to happen to him but he never faltered but endured everything set before him what wonderful faith.

V 4 So let us not grow tired but renew our faith fresh every morning looking to Jesus the finisher of our faith we have not suffered as he did the humiliation and the shame and finally the cross all this while we were still sinners.

Love and Peace
Dave

There's a lot to think about in this passage...
v1 The Christian life is not a stroll in the park, not even a short sprint, but an endurance race like a marathon.
An athlete discards all unnecessary clothing and baggage before starting his race, and we must take a similar attitude towards sin. Love of the world (especially) holds us back like a dead weight; but any sin has the potential to trip us up. Even things that are not wrong in themselves (such as a 'loose shoe') can sometimes impede our progress, and must then be jettisoned. But it would be a mistake to regard self-denial merely as a series of acts of mortification; it is above all such a concentration of the mind upon Christ as to be aware of nothing and no-one else (Philippians 3:13,14).
In an event such as the marathon, the athletes have to run with concentration and determination in order to complete the course - and they do so, even if they know they stand no chance of winning a medal. But they are urged on by the cheering of the spectators, and we should be similarly inspired and encouraged by the saints who have preceded us. They have completed their race in triumph, and are now willing us on to do the same - so how can we disappoint them?
v2 Yet even they are not our prime concern; for the supreme example of the life of faith, and our primary role model is Jesus Himself. He has gone ahead of us, and we are following in His footsteps. Wherever the life of faith takes us, He has been there before. He has opened the way to God, and walked it Himself - and He now makes it possible for us to complete the course. We can rely on the One who initiated our faith ("the Pioneer") to also sustain and complete it ("the Perfecter"); for He never leaves His work unfinished (Philippians 1:6).
Like Jesus, we must not allow anything to distract or deflect us from our course. Without flinching or turning aside, He followed the path of humble service to the almost unimaginable agony and horror of the Cross - but also beyond it to a triumphant enthronement in glory. It is the prospect of glory that makes Christian suffering bearable - for the suffering is temporary, but the glory is forever!
v3 All this means that discipleship is not for the faint-hearted. If we are walking in Jesus' footsteps, then we must expect to face the same hostility (social ostracism, verbal abuse and physical assault) that He had to face. We shall be continually tempted to take the easy way and drop out. And yet our difficulties are trivial in comparison with what He had to endure.
In our own strength we would never make it to the finishing line; but Jesus is more than able to sustain us to the very end.
v4 All Christians experience opposition; relatively few are called to martyrdom. Yet that is always a possibility, however distant it might seem to most of us, and we must be prepared for it.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #163 on: August 13, 2018, 12:43:08 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I liked the way you used the marathon to make your point good stuf.

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 5  And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

 6  For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

 7  If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

 8  But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons         


V 5 here we are reminded of our heavenly father who shows his love for us by disciplining us when we go astray keeping us on the strait and narrow so that we will reach the goal set before us God's Sabbath rest.
We see clearly this disciplining at work in th history of Israel every time they disobeyed God disciplined them to bring them back to the right path which leads to the paradise of God.

V 6 God chastise's his children for there good because he loves them and wants the very best for then.
So when the going gets tough in our Christian walk put your trust in the Lord he loves you and will carry you through.
Remember Christ died for the sins of the whole world while we were still sinners He died for us.
Is God allowing all the evil in the world his way of chastising the human race is he saying in effect turn from this and turn to me as he did with Israel.
V 7 here we are called to endure the chastising of the Lord not to give up to look to him and all his promises knowing that every one will be fulfilled in his time.
V 8 If we are not chastised by the Lord we are not his sons or daughters we are illegitimate so let us welcome his discipline and walk the walk of faith knowing our goal is sure and certain.
Love and Peace
Dave










Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #164 on: August 15, 2018, 07:13:53 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I liked the way you used the marathon to make your point good stuf.

V 5 here we are reminded of our heavenly father who shows his love for us by disciplining us when we go astray keeping us on the strait and narrow so that we will reach the goal set before us God's Sabbath rest.
We see clearly this disciplining at work in th history of Israel every time they disobeyed God disciplined them to bring them back to the right path which leads to the paradise of God.

V 6 God chastise's his children for there good because he loves them and wants the very best for then.
So when the going gets tough in our Christian walk put your trust in the Lord he loves you and will carry you through.
Remember Christ died for the sins of the whole world while we were still sinners He died for us.
Is God allowing all the evil in the world his way of chastising the human race is he saying in effect turn from this and turn to me as he did with Israel.
V 7 here we are called to endure the chastising of the Lord not to give up to look to him and all his promises knowing that every one will be fulfilled in his time.
V 8 If we are not chastised by the Lord we are not his sons or daughters we are illegitimate so let us welcome his discipline and walk the walk of faith knowing our goal is sure and certain.
Love and Peace
Dave

That's a very good summary, Dave!

v5 Trouble and hardship are an inevitable part of the Christian life. Suffering is not something that happens to us outside of God's will; it is part of His purpose in bringing His children to maturity. So we mustn't despair in the face of adversity, or jump to the conclusion that God has deserted us.
v6 God's love is much deeper than sentimentality, and much greater than mere kindness. His sovereignty is at work in the pains of life as well as in its pleasures.
He wants the best for us - which is why He is always calling us on to higher levels of faith, hope and obedience.
When faced with setbacks and problems, we should consider whether God is trying to teach us something through them. Hardship is God's school; this is where we learn to trust and obey Him, and to submit our own desires to His will.
v7 Both an athlete and a child need discipline in order to make progress. This is not punitive (for our sins have been forgiven), but formative; God's intention is to strengthen our faith and develop our character. Even Jesus - the perfect Son - was disciplined in this way (Hebrews 5:8 )!
v8 If this is foreign to our experience, we really need to ask ourselves if we are genuine Christians at all. Far from being a sign of God's rejection, suffering is evidence that He really does care about us!
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #165 on: August 16, 2018, 02:53:30 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply another good read.

Heb 12:9  Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10  For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11  Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
     


V 9 here we see our parents chastised us as children for our good to make us good citizens for the good of the community and we respected them and thanked them when we became adults and we did the same for our children.
But God chastises for an even better reason he dose it to give us eternal life with him all we need to do is follow his commands to Love him and to Love our fellow man when we stray from this he will chastise us to bring us back to him.

V 10 Our parents chastise not only for our benefit but for there's as well so we can lead quiet and peaceful lives but God dose it only for our good so that we can have access to his sabbath rest and eternal life with him in the new world he is going to create.

V 11 Being chastised and disciplined is always hard and nobody likes it but the end result of Gods chastisement will be wonderful eternal life with him.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #166 on: August 20, 2018, 10:21:25 AM »
Hi Deborah

V 9 here we see our parents chastised us as children for our good to make us good citizens for the good of the community and we respected them and thanked them when we became adults and we did the same for our children.
But God chastises for an even better reason he dose it to give us eternal life with him all we need to do is follow his commands to Love him and to Love our fellow man when we stray from this he will chastise us to bring us back to him.

V 10 Our parents chastise not only for our benefit but for there's as well so we can lead quiet and peaceful lives but God dose it only for our good so that we can have access to his sabbath rest and eternal life with him in the new world he is going to create.

V 11 Being chastised and disciplined is always hard and nobody likes it but the end result of Gods chastisement will be wonderful eternal life with him.

Love and Peace
Dave

v9 This also shows that our heavenly Father is a truly good Father - for a spoiled child never thanks his parents for their indulgence!
v10 Our earthly parents were less than perfect (the discipline they gave us may have been over-strict, inconsistent or arbitrary), but after we have grown up we appreciate that they did their best to turn us into responsible adults. How much more readily should we accept the perfect discipline of God, which is making us fit for His eternal Kingdom!
v11 Nobody enjoys being disciplined! However, an easy life is not conducive to spiritual growth (Psalm 119:67,71). We need to trust that God knows what He is doing! The painful process of discipline will not be more than we can bear, and will ultimately lead to great blessing. Through it we will learn to follow Christ more closely, trust Him more completely, and love Him more deeply. He is preparing us for eternal life!
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2018, 02:35:15 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply

Heb 12:12  Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
Heb 12:13  And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
Heb 12:14  Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
       


V 12 Its so easy to get disheartened to allow ourselves to be overwhelmed by the things happening in our life or when we see all the evil in the world and get depressed and ask questions like where is God the writer here is saying shake of these feelings stand up and have faith trust in God he will keep every promise he has made to us.

V 13  here we are asked to make strait paths the best way to do that is to have a point way of in the distance and keep looking strait at it and walk towards it our point is the light of the world which is Jesus Christ our Lord and do not falter but prey that the lord will sustain you.

V 14 always strive to keep peace with all men be kind considerate loving let these qualities grow so that we can enter Gods rest and be with our Lord and saviour.

Love and Peace
Dave