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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 11:43:12 AM »
... ... This brings us to the end of Hebrews 1 if anyone would like to go over any of the above before we continue to Hebrews 2 please feel free.
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Looking at the book of Hebrews again, Dave, I am awestruck by it; and more than a little fearful of misrepresenting it by any words of my own.  What has been impressed upon me is the need to keep in mind that this was written to Hebrew believers, and therefore though there is a wealth of wonderful teaching within it, we must take care in the way we make application of it to ourselves.

These Hebrew believers were in danger of falling back into Judaism, they were wavering, and needed to be reminded that God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, was superior to the prophets: through whom God had spoken to them up until John the Baptist.  That He was superior to the angels also: who had played an important role in God's dealings with them.  In later chapters they would be shown that He was superior also to Moses and to Aaron: and the roles they played among the Hebrew people.

They would be told of a better resurrection, and a better hope, a better testament (or covenant), better promises, a better country, and shown the need to endure to the end.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 01:16:30 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply dose clarify things for me so let's return to the subject of the thread.

.  13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

 14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?     


These are the last two verses of Hebrews 1 where the writer points out very clearly the superiority of the Son over every thing else in creation and sits at the right hand of God.

This brings us to the end of Hebrews 1 if anyone would like to go over any of the above before we continue to Hebrews 2 please feel free.

Love and Peace
Dave

v14 Angels play a major part in 'popular' religion; people are fascinated by them. They are important and powerful, but we mustn't overrate them. They cannot save us, they exist to serve us. God sends them to help us on our journey -
"He will command His angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways"
(Psalm 91:11) -
and to bring us safely home.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 05:34:32 PM »
@davetaff

Looking at the book of Hebrews again, Dave, I am awestruck by it; and more than a little fearful of misrepresenting it by any words of my own.  What has been impressed upon me is the need to keep in mind that this was written to Hebrew believers, and therefore though there is a wealth of wonderful teaching within it, we must take care in the way we make application of it to ourselves.

These Hebrew believers were in danger of falling back into Judaism, they were wavering, and needed to be reminded that God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, was superior to the prophets: through whom God had spoken to them up until John the Baptist.  That He was superior to the angels also: who had played an important role in God's dealings with them.  In later chapters they would be shown that He was superior also to Moses and to Aaron: and the roles they played among the Hebrew people.

They would be told of a better resurrection, and a better hope, a better testament (or covenant), better promises, a better country, and shown the need to endure to the end.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Chris
Tank you for your post Yes I agree it is a wonderful epistle it seams one can always find something new every time one reads it certainly is a wealth of information although it is addressed to the Hebrews I think we can learn a great deal from it.

 Hi Deborah
 thank you for your post You said

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v14 Angels play a major part in 'popular' religion; people are fascinated by them. They are important and powerful, but we mustn't overrate them. They cannot save us, they exist to serve us. God sends them to help us on our journey -
"He will command His angels concerning you
to guard you in all your ways" (Psalm 91:11) -
and to bring us safely home   

The Psalm you quoted I have always thought was pertaining to Christ as when the devil tempted him but now thanks to your post I  see it can also be for us who are his body thank you.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 09:30:40 PM »

 Hi Deborah
 thank you for your post You said

The Psalm you quoted I have always thought was pertaining to Christ as when the devil tempted him but now thanks to your post I  see it can also be for us who are his body thank you.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave
Yes, the devil did tempt Jesus with this psalm. But it isn't only about Jesus - it's about "whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High" (verse 1)
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 02:07:14 PM »
Hi
So let us return to this wonderful letter which has so much to offer and let us continue in the Love which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Heb 2:1  Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
Heb 2:2  For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
Heb 2:3  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Heb 2:4  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
   


Here we have warning about letting slip the word of God even those spoken by angles and even more so the words spoken by our lord and his disciples we also have the evidence of the signs and miracles of the Holy Spirit so we can be absolutely sure everything we have heard and read is the truth.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 05:26:20 PM »
Hi
So let us return to this wonderful letter which has so much to offer and let us continue in the Love which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Heb 2:1  Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
Heb 2:2  For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
Heb 2:3  How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Heb 2:4  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
   


Here we have warning about letting slip the word of God even those spoken by angles and even more so the words spoken by our lord and his disciples we also have the evidence of the signs and miracles of the Holy Spirit so we can be absolutely sure everything we have heard and read is the truth.

Love and Peace
Dave

v1 When God speaks, we had better listen! If we don't, we are in danger of "drifting away" (as the NIV puts it).
v2 "The message spoken through angels" is the Old Covenant given at Mount Sinai (the Jews believed that Moses received it through the mediation of angels). When the Israelites rebelled in the wilderness, they were struck down with plagues.
v3 If the Law could not be ignored without due punishment, neither can the Gospel! It may seem to be a gentler revelation of mercy and grace, but there is a sting in its tail. The Gospel is a greater gift, and so if we reject it the offence to God (the Giver) will also be much greater.
The message that was brought by Jesus (repentance and forgiveness of sins - Luke 24:47) has been passed on faithfully by eyewitnesses. Even though it comes to us indirectly, it is the same message and carries divine authority.
v4 And the message has been endorsed by God Himself, with miracles and spiritual gifts. This is further evidence that the Gospel is greater and more powerful than the Law ever was!
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2017, 02:25:53 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post interesting reading and a blessing to all who read them.

Heb 2:4  God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
   


V1Here we se the apostles being endowed with the gifts of the Holy Spirt so that the words they spoke was the word of God.
V2the world to come the world ruled over by God a world of Peace and Love such a wonderful thought is it not.

2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
   


V3This verse is taken from Psa 8:4.5 is the first man mentioned here Adam and the son of man Christ the first man Adam failed so God sent his son to put thing right so Christ is over all things King of Kings Lord of Lords.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2017, 07:32:15 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your post interesting reading and a blessing to all who read them.


Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
   


V1Here we se the apostles being endowed with the gifts of the Holy Spirt so that the words they spoke was the word of God.
V2the world to come the world ruled over by God a world of Peace and Love such a wonderful thought is it not.

2Pe 3:13  Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
   


V3This verse is taken from Psa 8:4.5 is the first man mentioned here Adam and the son of man Christ the first man Adam failed so God sent his son to put thing right so Christ is over all things King of Kings Lord of Lords.

Love and Peace
Dave

v5 At the moment we look (and feel) very inferior to the angels - but it is our destiny to rule, not theirs.
v6,7 We have a unique and very special place in God's creation. We were created to rule the rest of it - including the angels! - as God's deputies and representatives.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)