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Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #152 on: July 31, 2018, 11:52:51 AM »

V 20 It's interesting that it's the youngest son who always gets the  blessing this trend seems to go throughout scripture starting with Cain and Able.
But on the other hand Jacob did receive the blessing by deception of was it part of God's plan and what is he trying to tell us ??
V 21 Here again we see the same pattern the younger son receives the greater blessing not sure what leaning on his staff means.
V22 Here Jacob prophecies of the return of Israel to the promised land the land flowing with milk and honey although this would not happen for a long time Jacob makes sure his bones would go with them.

Love and Peace
Dave

I think God was trying to give us the message that everything depends on His choice, not on what we think is 'correct'. As Jesus often said, "the first shall be last and the last shall be first."

v20,21 All the patriarchs, as they approached the end of their lives, expressed their complete confidence in God's promises by imparting blessings of power and prosperity to their children. Jacob distributed an inheritance amongst his sons (giving Joseph's two sons portions in their own right) that he never actually possessed for himself! He could do this because he was relying not on his own abilities or possessions, but on God. He remained a pilgrim, right to the end! (I think this is why his staff is mentioned)
v22 Joseph had the same forward vision. Despite living most of his life in Egypt, he never forgot that the destiny of his people lay in Canaan. That was why he wanted to be buried there - and for 400 years his coffin was a silent witness to the hope that they would one day return.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #153 on: August 01, 2018, 02:52:22 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I am having a bit of trouble with next bit will do my best.

Heb 11:23  By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
Heb 11:24  By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Heb 11:25  Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
Heb 11:26  Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Heb 11:27  By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Heb 11:28  Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them     


V23 I take this to mean the faith of Moses parents wonder how much they new about God to have such strong faith. The kings commandment was that all male children were to be put to death so in a way Moses was a miracle baby.
V24 25  Moses was brought up in the kings palace by his daughter He had everything one could ask for he lived in the lap of luxury but he through it all away to return to his own people. Just thought this reminded me of Christ leaving his heavenly abode to come down and live amongst us and to do everything he did for our salvation.
V26 I assume he saw Christ through the eye of faith he knew the place to be was with the people of God this is where the future and salvation lay
V27 He left Egypt and all its treasures behind not fearing the king but looking through the eye of faith to what was to come the paradise of God.
V28 Yes the Passover and the sprinkling of blood a mirror image of what was to come much later when our Passover lamb was sacrificed and through the sprinkling of his blood we are cleansed and saved.


Love and Peace

Dave

 

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #154 on: August 01, 2018, 03:53:42 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply I am having a bit of trouble with next bit will do my best.

V23 I take this to mean the faith of Moses parents wonder how much they new about God to have such strong faith. The kings commandment was that all male children were to be put to death so in a way Moses was a miracle baby.
V24 25  Moses was brought up in the kings palace by his daughter He had everything one could ask for he lived in the lap of luxury but he through it all away to return to his own people. Just thought this reminded me of Christ leaving his heavenly abode to come down and live amongst us and to do everything he did for our salvation.
V26 I assume he saw Christ through the eye of faith he knew the place to be was with the people of God this is where the future and salvation lay
V27 He left Egypt and all its treasures behind not fearing the king but looking through the eye of faith to what was to come the paradise of God.
V28 Yes the Passover and the sprinkling of blood a mirror image of what was to come much later when our Passover lamb was sacrificed and through the sprinkling of his blood we are cleansed and saved.


Love and Peace

Dave

I think you've done pretty well, Dave!

v23 Moses' parents... saw he was no ordinary child." Moses had some exceptional qualities, even as a tiny baby, that persuaded his parents that he had a special part to play in God's purpose for His people. In consequence, they made the most strenuous efforts to preserve their son's life - which probably meant risking their own lives. Eventually they were forced to take desperate measures, effectively abandoning him into God's hands - but as a result, he survived against all the odds.
v24 The choice facing Moses when he grew up was essentially the same choice that faces all of us: whether to remain part of the godless world, or join the people of God. It would have been so easy for him to accept the comfortable position bestowed on him by his adoptive family; but instead he chose to throw in his lot with a nation of despised slaves and a God that he hardly knew.
v25 He didn't merely have warm inner feelings about the Israelites; he was willing to stand alongside them and suffer with them. For him, this involved an enormous cost. He went from being a man of high rank and power to being a complete 'nobody', and gave up a life of untold luxury - everything Egypt could offer - in order to embrace social deprivation and hardship.
v26 He chose as he did because his mind was fixed on the future rather than the present - perhaps even to the time when God's great Deliverer would come to rescue the whole world from slavery. In any case, he reckoned the divine reward to be worth far more than material wealth and social acceptability. 
v27 Having already 'left' Egypt in heart and mind, he was soon forced to leave it in body - but fear was not the prime motivation behind his escape. At that point, God was more real to him than Pharaoh. And he knew that God, not Pharaoh, was in control.
Can we also look behind and beyond our immediate circumstances, and discern God at work?
v28 For forty years Moses waited patiently in Midian; then he returned when God's time had come, following his instructions to the letter and thus protecting his people from the terrible plague that finally broke Pharaoh's resistance. (The Israelites also played their part, by believing God's word through Moses and acting upon it.)
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #155 on: August 02, 2018, 04:23:00 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply and encouragement

Heb 11:29  By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
Heb 11:30  By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
Heb 11:31  By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.     


V 29 here we see the birth of Israel as a nation they must have had great faith to walk through the Red sea water on both sides threatening to come rushing in but faith is a very powerful force as we see throughout the scriptures it is faith in Christ that gives the victory.

V30  here we have another example of faith giving the victory faith that God would deliver Jericho into the hands of the Israelites and we know by faith that God will deliver the world to Christ and to all those who have faith in him.

V31 where did Rahab acquire her faith the only way I can think of is she believed what the spies told her that their God would deliver Jericho into there hands her Knowledge of God could not have been great but it was her faith that saved her and her house.


Love and Peace
Dave   

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #156 on: August 02, 2018, 05:27:06 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply and encouragement

Heb 11:29  By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
Heb 11:30  By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
Heb 11:31  By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.     


V 29 here we see the birth of Israel as a nation they must have had great faith to walk through the Red sea water on both sides threatening to come rushing in but faith is a very powerful force as we see throughout the scriptures it is faith in Christ that gives the victory.

V30  here we have another example of faith giving the victory faith that God would deliver Jericho into the hands of the Israelites and we know by faith that God will deliver the world to Christ and to all those who have faith in him.

V31 where did Rahab acquire her faith the only way I can think of is she believed what the spies told her that their God would deliver Jericho into there hands her Knowledge of God could not have been great but it was her faith that saved her and her house.


Love and Peace
Dave   

v29 God provided the Israelites with an escape route from Egypt - through the waters of the Red Sea! But in order to be saved, they had to trust God and walk along the causeway in obedience to His command. This was no light matter: when the Egyptian army tried to do the same thing, they were drowned - because they were not acting in faith but out of presumption. There was no safe passage other than in response to the call of God.
v30 Although Jericho was a mighty fortress, it was taken in a single day - not by military force, but by the power of God. But this power was not manifested until the Israelites had spent six days just marching around it, according to God's instructions.

These two examples show us the link between faith and obedience.

v31 Rahab found salvation in the midst of the city's destruction - not because of her ethnic origin (she was a foreigner), or because she was morally upright (she was a prostitute), but purely because she had placed her trust in the God of Israel and decided to take the side of His people. She did nothing dramatic; but her hospitality to the Israelite spies was an act of faith by which she put herself and her family under God's protection.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #157 on: August 03, 2018, 02:18:17 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply god post

Heb 11:32  And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Heb 11:33  Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34  Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
   



I will take the above as a whole it gives us the names of some of the OT saints there are more of course the thing they all have in common of course is their unwavering faith that God would keep his promise's no matter what happened or how long it took so long as they kept the faith God would keep his side of the bargain.
Faith is a very powerful force our lord had this to say about it

Mat_17:20  And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
   

in v 33/34 we see the results of what faith can accomplish there is nothing it can not do but we must not doubt but believe and in the end God will deliver what he has promised entrance into his Sabbath rest and the new creation the new world.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2018, 03:03:28 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply god post

Heb 11:32  And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
Heb 11:33  Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Heb 11:34  Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
   



I will take the above as a whole it gives us the names of some of the OT saints there are more of course the thing they all have in common of course is their unwavering faith that God would keep his promise's no matter what happened or how long it took so long as they kept the faith God would keep his side of the bargain.
Faith is a very powerful force our lord had this to say about it

Mat_17:20  And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
   

in v 33/34 we see the results of what faith can accomplish there is nothing it can not do but we must not doubt but believe and in the end God will deliver what he has promised entrance into his Sabbath rest and the new creation the new world.

Love and Peace
Dave

v32 This list of the "heroes of faith" could be almost never-ending - especially since it includes not only those who are celebrated in Scripture, but also many more whose names are not recorded.
After the conquest of Canaan there was a time of apostasy, but even then a few individuals (the judges) stood out as men of faith. And they were followed by the prophets.
v33,34 They won great victories (military, moral and spiritual) - not through their own abilities but by following God's instructions and calling upon His power. It was because of such people that the nation of Israel was preserved. Some individuals (notably Daniel and his three friends) were delivered from certain death; others overcame overwhelming odds on the battlefield.
But they were not superhuman: they had weaknesses of character, and they fell into sin. Nevertheless, because of their faith, they saw God work miracles on their behalf.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #159 on: August 11, 2018, 02:44:55 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply

Heb 11:35  Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
Heb 11:36  And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Heb 11:37  They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
Heb 11:38  (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Heb 11:39  And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40  God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
     


V 35/38 Hers we have a wonderful testimony of all those wonderful saints of the OT all they went through to pass on Gods message to future generations we owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
it was their faith that carried them through unwavering faith that God was with them every step of the way no matter how hard the going got they believed God would save and deliver them in the end.

V 39/40  although they all received a good report a testimony to their faith they did not receive their reward it was still a future event as Paul makes plain in Romans.

Rom 11:26  And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
     
 
We know that we are grafted into the olive tree which is Israel so the fraise all Israel means us who belong to Christ as well this was the time the OT saints were looking forward to the time of restoration of all those who were Gods people.
The deliverer of course is Christ Jesus our Lord and saviour all the things the saints of old longed for will become a reality when our Lord returns to take up his rightful place here on earth King of King and Lord of Lords

COME LORD JESUS COME


Love and Peace

Dave