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Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #144 on: July 20, 2018, 05:21:30 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply if I may before we move on answer your question.


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(You're right about there being a pattern in Scripture, but I don't see how Israel and Jesus would fit into it. In what sense could Jesus be said to be Israel's "younger brother"? He is the Firstborn! Paul says that Israel is the older brother of the Church, and that was why the Jews persecuted the Christians - Galatians 4:21-31)
     


Hos_11:1  When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
 Mat_2:15  And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.     


so as I see it both Israel and Christ in the flesh are Gods sons which would make them brothers Israel the older of course there is another aspect to consider.

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
     



Paul here is refering to Christ in his spiritual state he was before all things and through him all things were created.

In the flesh he is the second Adam a man not a spiritual being until he returns to the father to wait for all things to be put under his feet.

I hope I have answered your question I dont want to side track this thread as I thought we were doing rarther well if you wish to continue maybe we could do it on a new thread.

Love and Peace
Dave


Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #145 on: July 22, 2018, 04:02:01 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your patience Time to move on.

Heb 11:8  By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9  By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10  For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11  Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12  Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
     
 

V 8 Here we are reminded of Abraham that great man of faith can you imagine what faith it took here was Abraham living his live working away when all of a sudden the angle of the lord appeared and told him to pack up everything and move to a different country which of course he did first moving to Haran and the to the promised land this must have taken great faith.

V 9 He lived in the promised land with his two sons totally relying on Gods promise not faltering for one moment that God would keep his promise which also applied to Isaac and Jacob his son and grandson the promise is passed on in the family line.

V10 Through faith he was looking to the future the city built by God the cornerstone being Jesus Christ our Lord There would be many ups and downs on the way to that city Abrahams faith did not waver he was sure of the final outcome.

V 11  Even Sarah his wife shared his faith and through that faith gave birth to Isaac in her old age The words of our Lord come to mind.
Mat_17:20  And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
   


V12 Here we see the result of that faith the decendants of Abraham as the dust of the earth what we must learn from this is we need patience and allow God to work his good will at his pace not ours.

Love and Peace
Dave


Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #146 on: July 22, 2018, 10:16:48 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your patience Time to move on.

V 8 Here we are reminded of Abraham that great man of faith can you imagine what faith it took here was Abraham living his live working away when all of a sudden the angle of the lord appeared and told him to pack up everything and move to a different country which of course he did first moving to Haran and the to the promised land this must have taken great faith.

V 9 He lived in the promised land with his two sons totally relying on Gods promise not faltering for one moment that God would keep his promise which also applied to Isaac and Jacob his son and grandson the promise is passed on in the family line.

V10 Through faith he was looking to the future the city built by God the cornerstone being Jesus Christ our Lord There would be many ups and downs on the way to that city Abrahams faith did not waver he was sure of the final outcome.

V 11  Even Sarah his wife shared his faith and through that faith gave birth to Isaac in her old age The words of our Lord come to mind.
Mat_17:20  And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
   


V12 Here we see the result of that faith the decendants of Abraham as the dust of the earth what we must learn from this is we need patience and allow God to work his good will at his pace not ours.

Love and Peace
Dave

v8 Abraham's courageous and sacrificial faith was expressed in a simple yet demanding act of obedience. He took God at His word, made a definitive break with his former life and put himself and his family completely into God?s hands. When he first set out from Ur he had no idea where he was going, or what he would do when he got there; but he was utterly committed to the God who had called him.
v9 Faith like that changes the way you live. Even after arriving in Canaan, Abraham had no secure home there; he never actually owned any land, but lived as a temporary resident, keeping himself and his clan separate from the local people.
v10 For Canaan was not his ultimate destination! He had been called out of an earthly city - a tangible city with walls, houses, markets and temples - to go to a heavenly city that could be visualised only with the eye of faith. But it is the heavenly city that is 'real', 'solid' and permanent, because it is being built by God Himself.

v11 But it wasn't just Abraham who needed to have faith. His wife Sarah had not only been infertile all her life, but was long past the age of being able to have children. Having initially laughed at God's promise (Genesis 18:9-15), her faith was awakened by the supernatural knowledge of her husband?s angelic visitor. Thus she was enabled to conceive and bear the promised son.
v12 From this elderly couple sprang a nation - a nation still in existence today. Their faith (and patience) had very concrete results!

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #147 on: July 24, 2018, 02:25:00 PM »
Hi Deborah
thank you for another good post I'm sure many will benefit from it.

Heb 11:13  These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14  For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15  And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
     


Yes they all died in faith none received the promises that God had given them these were to be realised at a much later time their example is they never doubted they believed God and they knew God would deliver in the mean time the would need to have patience because.

2Pe 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
     
   

V 14 They were not of the world as we are not of the world but we are of the world to come let us as they did look to that world where our King Jesus Christ reigns.

V 15 they always had the opportunity to return to where they came from as we do but lets not look back but look forward to his glorious kingdom.

v16 with them we also desire a better kingdom a heavenly one where God reigns supreme and into which we can enter in.


Love and Peace
Dave 

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2018, 05:03:45 PM »
Hi Deborah
thank you for another good post I'm sure many will benefit from it.

Heb 11:13  These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14  For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15  And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16  But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
     


Yes they all died in faith none received the promises that God had given them these were to be realised at a much later time their example is they never doubted they believed God and they knew God would deliver in the mean time the would need to have patience because.

2Pe 3:9  The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
     
   

V 14 They were not of the world as we are not of the world but we are of the world to come let us as they did look to that world where our King Jesus Christ reigns.

V 15 they always had the opportunity to return to where they came from as we do but lets not look back but look forward to his glorious kingdom.

v16 with them we also desire a better kingdom a heavenly one where God reigns supreme and into which we can enter in.


Love and Peace
Dave

v13 Neither Abraham nor any of his immediate descendants saw the fulfilment of God's great promises in their lifetimes - neither possession of the land, nor millions of descendants, nor the future King. Nevertheless, they were so sure of them that they were willing to endure all manner of hardships in anticipation of what was to come.
For us, the fulfilment is still only partial - but since we possess so many more blessings here and now, surely we can await the rest with a similar joyful confidence?
The life of faith is a life of exile, as the patriarchs fearlessly and cheerfully admitted (Genesis 23:4; 47:9). Our true home is not in this world, but in a permanent one. We have seen what awaits us from afar, and tasted some of the good things in store for us; and as a result, our values and goals have been fundamentally changed. We are no longer in step with the present world; we are "foreigners and strangers", restless and uneasy.
v14 Our greatest desire - and therefore our highest loyalty - must be the coming Kingdom. Even the Promised Land itself was not the patriarchs' final destination, just a temporary stopping-place!
v15 They were obviously not yearning for their old home in Mesopotamia, so they must have been thinking of somewhere else.
v16 They were, in fact, looking forward to an eternal home - as God had intended that they should.
Their whole lives were orientated towards God and His promises. They obeyed His call, trusted His word - and proved His faithfulness. For ever after, God has described Himself as their God (Exodus 3:6) - showing that His relationship with them continues beyond their death. And those who declare Christ to be their Lord now will likewise be His people in eternity.
Then we will experience the reality of our future inheritance: the city where God's people, though persecuted and insecure in the present world, will finally enter into His 'rest'. (Revelation 21:2)
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #149 on: July 26, 2018, 04:12:06 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply lots of good stuff.

Heb 11:17  By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Heb 11:18  Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19  Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
     



V 17 It's hard to imagen how much faith this would take to offer up your only son of course this is a mirror image of what was to happen hundred's of years later when God the father offered up his only son Jesus Christ what great love the father has for us.

V 18 Of course the seed mentioned here is Christ it was through the line of Isaac Jacob and Israel that the Christ would come it would take a long time so required great faith.

V 19 It was in Abrahams heart to carry out the sacrifice  so in that sense Isaac was as good as dead so Abrahams intent and Faith in Gods ability to raise him up must have been very strong
God replaced Isaac with a lamb again a mirror image of what was to happen much later when Christ the lamb of God was sacrificed for the sins of the world.


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #150 on: July 30, 2018, 01:54:10 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply lots of good stuff.

Heb 11:17  By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Heb 11:18  Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19  Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
     



V 17 It's hard to imagen how much faith this would take to offer up your only son of course this is a mirror image of what was to happen hundred's of years later when God the father offered up his only son Jesus Christ what great love the father has for us.

V 18 Of course the seed mentioned here is Christ it was through the line of Isaac Jacob and Israel that the Christ would come it would take a long time so required great faith.

V 19 It was in Abrahams heart to carry out the sacrifice  so in that sense Isaac was as good as dead so Abrahams intent and Faith in Gods ability to raise him up must have been very strong
God replaced Isaac with a lamb again a mirror image of what was to happen much later when Christ the lamb of God was sacrificed for the sins of the world.


Love and Peace
Dave

v17 Faith is primarily an attitude of mind - but inevitably it affects what we do.
The climax of Abraham's faithful walk with God was his willingness to sacrifice his beloved son Isaac in response to God's command. Isaac was his "one and only son" (actually, Abraham had other sons including Ishmael) because he was the conduit of God's promise - but it is also Jesus' title (John 1:18; 3:16).
Abraham was unknowingly acting out what God Himself would do, 2000 years later.
v18 On a purely human level, reason said, "If this boy dies, God's promise will fail."
v19 But Abraham trusted absolutely in God's power, as well as in His promise. He was therefore sure that God would somehow resolve the contradiction - even if it necessitated a resurrection. This was not 'blind faith', because by then he already had a long lifetime's experience of trusting God.
And his faith was vindicated; having surrendered Isaac to God, he received him back unharmed.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #151 on: July 31, 2018, 10:56:45 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply

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 20  By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

 21  By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

 22  By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones     


V 20 It's interesting that it's the youngest son who always gets the  blessing this trend seems to go throughout scripture starting with Cain and Able.
But on the other hand Jacob did receive the blessing by deception of was it part of God's plan and what is he trying to tell us ??
V 21 Here again we see the same pattern the younger son receives the greater blessing not sure what leaning on his staff means.
V22 Here Jacob prophecies of the return of Israel to the promised land the land flowing with milk and honey although this would not happen for a long time Jacob makes sure his bones would go with them.

Love and Peace
Dave