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Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #136 on: July 12, 2018, 06:29:29 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for another good post.

. 35  Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

 36  For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

 37  For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

 38  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

 39  But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul         


V 35 confidence here can be equated with faith no matter what happens we must retain faith and confidence in all the wonderful promises we have from God.
V36 patience is what we need above everything it goes together with confidence and faith we must really believe that all his wonderful promises will come to be reality.
V 37 in a little while what does this mean this was written 2000 years ago I think maybe it may mean when we are baptised and receive the Holy Spirit we are in Christ and he in us.
Of course it has another meaning when he returns in power and glory to take up his rightful place King of Kings.
V 38 Keeping the faith is vitally important it would be disastrous to fall away from the living God we must keep the faith in spite of all hardships.
V 39 yes let us be those who believe unto salvation not those who draw back this would be unthinkable.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #137 on: July 15, 2018, 04:02:41 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for another good post.

. 35  Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

 36  For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

 37  For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

 38  Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

 39  But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul         


V 35 confidence here can be equated with faith no matter what happens we must retain faith and confidence in all the wonderful promises we have from God.
V36 patience is what we need above everything it goes together with confidence and faith we must really believe that all his wonderful promises will come to be reality.
V 37 in a little while what does this mean this was written 2000 years ago I think maybe it may mean when we are baptised and receive the Holy Spirit we are in Christ and he in us.
Of course it has another meaning when he returns in power and glory to take up his rightful place King of Kings.
V 38 Keeping the faith is vitally important it would be disastrous to fall away from the living God we must keep the faith in spite of all hardships.
V 39 yes let us be those who believe unto salvation not those who draw back this would be unthinkable.

Love and Peace
Dave

v35 By enduring abuse and shame for Christ's sake now, we will win the honour and glory of a victory crown - a reward great beyond reckoning!
v36 But finishing the race is all-important. We need patience (=perseverance). Having come so far, and through so many difficulties, how can they think of giving up now?

v37,38 This is another quote from the Old Testament - the book of Habakkuk - so it was written 600 years before this letter!
v37 From our point of view, God's promises can never be fulfilled soon enough. We would so much prefer to receive our reward straight away! But what was true for God's people in 600BC and in 60AD is also true today: we need to wait for God's time. (We're like children on a journey. "Are we there yet?" "No, but not long now")
v38  To live by faith is to live as if God's promise of future reward is sure and His power for present victory is real. This is why apostasy is so disastrous; we risk losing everything.

v39 Sometimes the world fights a war of attrition against us that is more discouraging than outright persecution. The Western Church, though not currently being persecuted, has lost its confidence as a result of the secularisation of society and the marginalisation of faith. Churches are shrinking, and those who remain are disheartened and weary. But there's a huge cost to giving up; it's spiritual suicide (like Lot's wife - Genesis 19:26) We should aim to identify with those who have persevered right to the end. "We do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved."
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #138 on: July 16, 2018, 04:22:28 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for you post I'm sure many will find it uplifting.
I am not sure how to approach Hebrews 11 it is all about faith and all those wonderful patriarchs from the OT who by their faith achieved wonders.
whether to take it a few verses at a time like we have done or as a whole with faith being the focal point I would appreciate your opinion on this thank you.

Love and Peace
Dave 

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #139 on: July 16, 2018, 10:03:30 PM »
It's too long to look at as a whole. I think the best way is to go through person by person (following the paragraphs in the modern versions). Some chunks will be much longer than others (we may have to split Abraham up).
So I suggest:
verses 1-3 (faith in principle)
verses 4-7 (Abel, Enoch and Noah)
verses 8-12 (Abraham)
verses 13-16 (a general statement about the patriarchs)
verses 17-19 (Abraham again)
verses 20-22 (Isaac, Jacob & Joseph)
verses 23-28 (Moses)
verses 29-31 (the Israelites & Rahab)
verses 32-34 (all the rest)
verses 35-40 (the trials of faith)
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #140 on: July 17, 2018, 01:50:26 PM »
It's too long to look at as a whole. I think the best way is to go through person by person (following the paragraphs in the modern versions). Some chunks will be much longer than others (we may have to split Abraham up).
So I suggest:
verses 1-3 (faith in principle)
verses 4-7 (Abel, Enoch and Noah)
verses 8-12 (Abraham)
verses 13-16 (a general statement about the patriarchs)
verses 17-19 (Abraham again)
verses 20-22 (Isaac, Jacob & Joseph)
verses 23-28 (Moses)
verses 29-31 (the Israelites & Rahab)
verses 32-34 (all the rest)
verses 35-40 (the trials of faith)

Hi Deborah
Thank you for your advice and I think you are right so let's begin.

.  Hebrews 11

 1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. note

 2  For by it the elders obtained a good report.

 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear       


V 1 Faith what is it a belief in something we can not see but know exists being 100% dependent upon the creator of the universe to keep all his wonderful promises.
Our Lord had this to say about faith

.   Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you     

V 2 It was through faith that all the wonderful people of the OT  achieved all they did having this unshakeable faith that God would always keep his promises even if we have to wait for them.

V 3  Through faith we know that God is the creator of all things visible which were created out of things not seen how wonderful is our creator God having faith in creation gives us strength to know everything else God has promised will come to pass.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2018, 01:49:53 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your advice and I think you are right so let's begin.

.  Hebrews 11

 1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. note

 2  For by it the elders obtained a good report.

 3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear       


V 1 Faith what is it a belief in something we can not see but know exists being 100% dependent upon the creator of the universe to keep all his wonderful promises.
Our Lord had this to say about faith

.   Mat 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you     

V 2 It was through faith that all the wonderful people of the OT  achieved all they did having this unshakeable faith that God would always keep his promises even if we have to wait for them.

V 3  Through faith we know that God is the creator of all things visible which were created out of things not seen how wonderful is our creator God having faith in creation gives us strength to know everything else God has promised will come to pass.

Love and Peace
Dave

v1 "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." This is a description of faith, not a definition; the writer is not explaining what faith is, but showing us what it does.
Most people think that faith is a subjective belief, without evidence to support it (or even in the face of contrary evidence). But to the Biblical writers, faith is the faculty of perceiving what is genuinely, objectively true because God has revealed it to us.
Faith enables us to look beyond our immediate situation and take account of eternal realities. And then it translates these invisible realities into concrete, observable actions - in other words, we "walk by faith, not by sight" (II Corinthians 5:7). And when we live and act in faith, we find it to be a firm foundation; by living as if God's promises are true, we discover in our own experience that they are true.
v2 "This is what the ancients were commended for." Salvation by faith is not a 'new' thing. Just like us, the Old Covenant believers were promised things that they did not receive in their own lifetimes. But they believed the promises of God, and acted upon them - and so by looking at their lives in this 'hall of fame' we can learn what it means to 'live by faith'.

v3 "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible." The first question to ask is: what kind of God are we being called to trust in?
The actual act of creation was unseen; we can only observe its results. Science can give us a great deal of information about the process - but it cannot tell us that both space and time were brought into being by God's Word. Like a powerful king whose word is law, God had only to utter a decree, and a dark and anarchic waste - a literal 'nothingness' - was transformed into the beautiful and orderly universe that we know.
And people who understand this live in accord with the word of God rather than by the flimsy promises and facile assurances of the world. For we know that God's word is the ultimate reality.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #142 on: July 19, 2018, 03:30:43 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for another good post

Heb 11:4  By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Heb 11:5  By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Heb 11:6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Heb 11:7  By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.       


V 4 It was by faith that Able offered his sacrifice which of course was a blood sacrifice one of his lambs from the flock this also mirrors our Lords sacrifice who was the lamb of God.
Cains sacrifice was rejected it was of the earth earthly things it had no power the power is in the blood.

there is another mirror image here the elder brother kills the younger brother Israel and Christ are both sons of God.
Mat_2:15  And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
     
 
This saying applies to both Israel and Christ Israel being the elder kills the younger which is Christ.
V 5 I have often wondered over who Enoch was, was  he a type  of Christ it is obvious he was a holy man and it seams he did not live very long compared to those of that time and our lord also died at a relatively early age.

V6 So if we are to please God we must have faith we must believe he exists or better still we must know he exists no doubt at all in our minds and knowing this to seek him out.

V 7 This is a wonderful picture of faith is it not Noah believed  no boubt in his mind he began building the ark can you imagen the ridicle he must have put up with the people of the day must have thought he was crazy out of his mind a laughing stock but he carried on building because he believed God his unwavering faith saved him.


Love and Peace

Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2018, 09:27:54 PM »


V 4 It was by faith that Able offered his sacrifice which of course was a blood sacrifice one of his lambs from the flock this also mirrors our Lords sacrifice who was the lamb of God.
Cains sacrifice was rejected it was of the earth earthly things it had no power the power is in the blood.

there is another mirror image here the elder brother kills the younger brother Israel and Christ are both sons of God.
Mat_2:15  And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
     
 
This saying applies to both Israel and Christ Israel being the elder kills the younger which is Christ.
V 5 I have often wondered over who Enoch was, was  he a type  of Christ it is obvious he was a holy man and it seams he did not live very long compared to those of that time and our lord also died at a relatively early age.

V6 So if we are to please God we must have faith we must believe he exists or better still we must know he exists no doubt at all in our minds and knowing this to seek him out.

V 7 This is a wonderful picture of faith is it not Noah believed  no boubt in his mind he began building the ark can you imagen the ridicle he must have put up with the people of the day must have thought he was crazy out of his mind a laughing stock but he carried on building because he believed God his unwavering faith saved him.


Love and Peace

Dave

v4 Faith has always been all-important in mankind's relationship with God, right from the beginning.
Both Cain and Abel offered sacrifices to God; the difference between them was that only Abel worshipped in faith.
I know that a lot of people think that Abel's sacrifice was effective because it was a blood sacrifice, but Hebrew has very precise terminology for the different types of sacrifice, and what Cain and Abel brought was not a sin offering but a tribute offering - which didn't have to be an animal.
So it wasn't so much what they did, as how they did it: Abel took care to give the very best of what he had, whereas Cain seems to have offered what was going spare. God, who looks at the heart, signified His approval of Abel.
Abel had no reward for his faith in this life. He was faithful to death, becoming the very first martyr - but Cain could not thus silence his witness.

(You're right about there being a pattern in Scripture, but I don't see how Israel and Jesus would fit into it. In what sense could Jesus be said to be Israel's "younger brother"? He is the Firstborn! Paul says that Israel is the older brother of the Church, and that was why the Jews persecuted the Christians - Galatians 4:21-31)

v5 Enoch's translation (taking him directly into God's presence without dying) shows that a relationship with God is more powerful than death itself. To ''walk with God", as he did, is to live a truly holy life in the midst of a sinful world. Such a life requires dependent trust, and is possible only by faith. God cannot fail to take delight in such people!
v6 Merely to believe that God exists is not 'faith' in the Biblical or Christian sense; we must also believe that He wants to engage with us. God is not only real, but good!

v7 Noah believed God's warning of catastrophic judgement, and took the necessary action to escape from it. His obedience must have cost him a great deal of time, expense and labour. He probably had to endure the ridicule of his neighbours (who must have thought him mad); but in the end, he was proved right.
He could not build such a large object as the Ark in secret; so it was in itself a witness to his contemporaries of what God was about to do - even though they took no notice. And Christian obedience can also be a powerful witness.
Noah's life demonstrates that those who live by faith need not fear the coming judgement; for God will account them as righteous and deliver them.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)