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Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #112 on: May 29, 2018, 03:55:22 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for a very uplifting post

Heb 9:17  For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18  Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19  For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20  Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
     


V 17-18  Here we see that the new testament came into force with the death of our Lord Jesus but it seams the first testament came into force through the blood of animals maybe this is why it was not good enough to wash away our sins so a better sacrifice was needed.
v19 Here we see the symbolic use of animal blood for cleansing this mirrors our lord who was the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world which the blood of animals could never do.
Moses also used water I think this symbolises washing with the water of the word of God,  then we have the scarlet wool I think this represents the sins of the people as Isaiah makes clear.


Isa 1:18  Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
   


Then we have Hyssop this was a herb used for healing and cleansing its interesting that it was also present at the crucifixion as was the water and the Blood shed by our lord for the sins of the people.
These things remind me of what Paul says " we see in a mirror darkly "

Love and Peace
Dave   


 

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #113 on: June 03, 2018, 09:37:44 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for a very uplifting post

Heb 9:17  For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18  Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19  For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20  Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
     


V 17-18  Here we see that the new testament came into force with the death of our Lord Jesus but it seams the first testament came into force through the blood of animals maybe this is why it was not good enough to wash away our sins so a better sacrifice was needed.
v19 Here we see the symbolic use of animal blood for cleansing this mirrors our lord who was the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world which the blood of animals could never do.
Moses also used water I think this symbolises washing with the water of the word of God,  then we have the scarlet wool I think this represents the sins of the people as Isaiah makes clear.


Isa 1:18  Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
   


Then we have Hyssop this was a herb used for healing and cleansing its interesting that it was also present at the crucifixion as was the water and the Blood shed by our lord for the sins of the people.
These things remind me of what Paul says " we see in a mirror darkly "

Love and Peace
Dave   
 

In these verses the writer is making use of the different shades of meaning of the Greek word 'diatheke'. It's a term covering a number of different kinds of 'agreements' and legal documents, including 'contract', 'covenant' and 'will'.
When he says that it "is in force only when somebody has died" (v17), he's referring to what we would call a will.
As John Stott has said, when God makes a 'will', "since the promises in question are God's promises, the death must be God's death." So Jesus, the night before He died, predicted His death and promised forgiveness of sins to His disciples as its consequence (Matthew 26:38).
v18-20 In Biblical times, a covenant, like a will, needed a death to make it effective - which is why the people had to participate in a solemn blood ritual in order to inaugurate the old covenant. And Jesus' blood was shed in His death. The 'blood ritual' that we participate in is the Lords Supper.

Incidentally, hyssop was used for sprinkling, just because it makes a good natural 'brush'. You could use a bunch of hyssop to pick up liquid and transfer it to somewhere else. That's why it features in the Old Testament rituals.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #114 on: June 05, 2018, 12:11:56 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply very informative as usual.

. 21  Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

 22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 23  It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

 24  For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us         


V 21 here we see the value of the blood even the blood of the first tabernacle had great worth for cleansing.
V 22 we see here that everything was cleansed with blood and there can be no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood but the blood of animals was not a permanent solution
V 23 the blood of animals was needed once a year to cleans the inner sanctuary but a much greater sacrifice was needed to purify the heavenly sanctuary and to allow us access to the father through our Lord Jesus Christ
V 24 here we see the true worth of Christ blood it allowed him  access to the inner sanctuary and the presence of God the Father.
The blood of Christ is beyond price.

Love and Price
Dave



Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #115 on: June 05, 2018, 07:38:43 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply very informative as usual.

. 21  Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

 22  And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

 23  It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

 24  For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us         


V 21 here we see the value of the blood even the blood of the first tabernacle had great worth for cleansing.
V 22 we see here that everything was cleansed with blood and there can be no forgiveness of sins without the shedding of blood but the blood of animals was not a permanent solution
V 23 the blood of animals was needed once a year to cleans the inner sanctuary but a much greater sacrifice was needed to purify the heavenly sanctuary and to allow us access to the father through our Lord Jesus Christ
V 24 here we see the true worth of Christ blood it allowed him  access to the inner sanctuary and the presence of God the Father.
The blood of Christ is beyond price.

Love and Price
Dave

That's very good Dave - I don't think I can add much to that!
v21 I think the point being made here isn't the effectiveness of animal blood (because it wasn't very) but the need for everything to be cleansed - because it was all tainted by human sin.
v22 You've said it all, and said it very well
v23 The sacrifices and rituals of the old covenant had a limited, symbolic function; but the New Covenant deals with the heavenly realities! Now the real, heavenly sanctuary has been cleansed with Christ's blood, signifying that God has forgotten our sins and that we shall be welcomed into His presence.
v24 Whenever the high priest entered the Holy Place, he carried the rest of the people with him symbolically, as the precious stones on his breast piece (see Exodus 28:29). And now Christ has brought us with Him into the very presence of God (Romans 8:34). His ministry there is no less real for being invisible, but more so!
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #116 on: June 07, 2018, 11:26:07 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply there some wonderful passages in this section don't you think.

. 25  Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

 26  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

 27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation         
   

V25 Here we see a comparison between the high priest once a year sacrifice and our Lords once and for all sacrifice was only needed once for all time.
V 26 Here we see the great worth of our Lord's sacrifice it removes sin completely for all time in heaven and earth.Love
V 27 here we are told that man is appointed to die once then judgement I was wondering if when we die in baptism that this counts as the first death and we are judged worthy to enter the body of Christ.
V 28 we who believe look forward to that glorious day when our Lord and saviour returns in power and glory and we meet him in the clouds.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2018, 11:47:44 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply there some wonderful passages in this section don't you think.


V25 Here we see a comparison between the high priest once a year sacrifice and our Lords once and for all sacrifice was only needed once for all time.
V 26 Here we see the great worth of our Lord's sacrifice it removes sin completely for all time in heaven and earth.Love
V 27 here we are told that man is appointed to die once then judgement I was wondering if when we die in baptism that this counts as the first death and we are judged worthy to enter the body of Christ.
V 28 we who believe look forward to that glorious day when our Lord and saviour returns in power and glory and we meet him in the clouds.

Love and Peace
Dave

v25 The animal sacrifices had to be endlessly repeated because they never actually achieved anything. But Christ's sacrifice was accepted - which is why it will never need to be repeated. He had to die only once to save everyone!
v26 And so His death is the turning-point of human history. Since that moment, sin is simply no longer an issue  for us; neither our present lives nor our future destiny are determined by it.
v27 We are all going to die. And we have only the one life to live, for there is no such thing as reincarnation. But death will not be the end of our existence: we will then come face to face with God, and with the eternal consequences of our deeds (Revelation 20:12).
v28 Christ also lived and died just once - but His experience of death has radically changed our expectation of death. When He died, He removed our sins; and so when He returns as Judge, He will be our Saviour from that judgement, and will bring us instead into our eternal inheritance.
Every year, on the Day of Atonement, the worshippers would wait for the high priest to re-emerge from the Most Holy Place, anxious to know that the sacrifices had been accepted. We also wait for Jesus to return and complete our salvation - not with anxiety but with complete confidence.
 
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here we are told that man is appointed to die once then judgement I was wondering if when we die in baptism that this counts as the first death and we are judged worthy to enter the body of Christ.
Baptism is a kind of death (it's a dying-with-Christ, see Romans 6:3,4) - but it's not what the writer is talking about here. He's talking about physical death - something that happens to everyone, believers and unbelievers alike.
The 'first death' is physical death, which is just a gateway. The 'second death' is Gehenna, the lake of fire, which is final destruction.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline davetaff

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2018, 12:56:00 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply very informative.

.   Hebrews 10

 1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 2  For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. note

 3  But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

 4  For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.       


V 1 Here the writer makes it plain that the first tabernacle and service were only a copy a shadow of things to come  but they could never cleans the people of there sins.
V 2 here we are shown that the sacrifices could not be relied on to cleans because it had to be repeated continually something much better was needed.
V 3 In those sacrifices the worshippers are reminded of their sins and the need for a better sacrifice.
V 4 animal sacrifices were of no use in cleansing the people the only thing good enough is the lamb of God Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world once and for all.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Deborah

Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #119 on: June 12, 2018, 11:55:46 AM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply very informative.

.   Hebrews 10

 1  For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 2  For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. note

 3  But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

 4  For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.       


V 1 Here the writer makes it plain that the first tabernacle and service were only a copy a shadow of things to come  but they could never cleans the people of there sins.
V 2 here we are shown that the sacrifices could not be relied on to cleans because it had to be repeated continually something much better was needed.
V 3 In those sacrifices the worshippers are reminded of their sins and the need for a better sacrifice.
V 4 animal sacrifices were of no use in cleansing the people the only thing good enough is the lamb of God Jesus Christ who takes away the sins of the world once and for all.

Love and Peace
Dave

v1 The old covenant was a 'shadow' - an imperfect copy, a sketchy outline - and its rituals were merely signposts, pointing forward to Christ.
v2 The very repetition of those sacrifices testified to their failure. If a car has to be taken back to the mechanic every week with the same fault, then it hasn't been fixed!
v3 All that the rituals of the Day of Atonement achieved was to remind the people that they were incurably sinful. And by adding to the burden of guilt, they actually made things worse, not better.
v4 No matter how many times the sacrifices were repeated, the problem of sin would remain unresolved. The blood of mere animals was just not up to the task, because they weren't adequate substitutes for rational human beings.

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)