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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #104 on: May 15, 2018, 03:24:34 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thanks for your reply what I meant with the OT and NT was with the OT teaching we do not have access to God it was a mirror image of things to come which was Christ the seed of Abraham through whom we gain access to God the Father through his teachings Love and Grace.

Heb 9:4  Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Heb 9:5  And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
Heb 9:6  Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
   


V4 The golden censor which I believe symbolised the prayers of the saints I think the ark of the covenant symbolic of Christ it contained all that was good the gold representing purity the manna the bread from heaven Aarons rod representing  the resurrection
bringing to life a dead thing and the tables of the covenant Gods sure and certain promises to Israel and to us.
V5 The cherubims representing maybe the angles of God watching over the creation making sure everything whent according to plan
V6 Here we see being allowed into the first tabernacle to serve god this reminds me of Israel doing Gods work in the world the vail reminds of there is something else to come.
Christ rent the vail and gave us access to the inner sanctuary and to God the father through him.

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2018, 12:21:34 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thanks for your reply what I meant with the OT and NT was with the OT teaching we do not have access to God it was a mirror image of things to come which was Christ the seed of Abraham through whom we gain access to God the Father through his teachings Love and Grace.

Heb 9:4  Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Heb 9:5  And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
Heb 9:6  Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
   


V4 The golden censor which I believe symbolised the prayers of the saints I think the ark of the covenant symbolic of Christ it contained all that was good the gold representing purity the manna the bread from heaven Aarons rod representing  the resurrection
bringing to life a dead thing and the tables of the covenant Gods sure and certain promises to Israel and to us.
V5 The cherubims representing maybe the angles of God watching over the creation making sure everything whent according to plan
V6 Here we see being allowed into the first tabernacle to serve god this reminds me of Israel doing Gods work in the world the vail reminds of there is something else to come.
Christ rent the vail and gave us access to the inner sanctuary and to God the father through him.

Love and Peace
Dave

v3-5 It was the incense that represented the prayers of God's people, rather than the incense altar (it was an altar, rather than a censer) - but yes, that was what it symbolised.
The Ark was God's throne. Doesn't really fit with Christ. What it contained was the stone tablets with the Ten Commandments written on them. The jar of manna (now that does represent Christ!) and Aaron's staff were technically in front of the Ark rather than inside it; but they were all within the Most Holy Place.
Aaron's staff represented fruitfulness rather than resurrection - read Numbers 17. It was a sign of Aaron's priestly authority, and it corresponds to Jesus' word, "Apart from Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5)
The cherubim are God's attendants. There were two gold ones on the top of the Ark; Solomon added two enormous wooden ones standing either side of the Ark.
v6 Most of the rituals of the old covenant took place in the first room (the Holy Place), to which only the priests had access. The ordinary priests burned incense and tended the lamps every day.
What you say is right, but you're jumping the gun - wait for verse 8!
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2018, 01:19:18 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply there is so much going on in the first tabernacle easy to get side tracked.


 7  But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

 8  The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

 9  Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience     


V7 here we see that it is only through blood that our sins can be washed clean but the blood of animals was not good enough that's why it had to be offered every year.
It is only the blood of the lamb of God Jesus Christ that can wash away our sins completely he has paid the price we are saved through his blood.

V8 here we see that access to the holiest of all was not possible while the first tabernacle was still standing.
I feel that the first tabernacle is a representation of Israe, Israel had to be removed so that we could have access to the holiest of all but we are told that all Israel will be saved.

V9 Here we are told that all the sacrifices of the first tabernacle could not make the giver perfect something better was needed the perfect sinless sacrifice the son of God.
It was only this sacrifice that could remove sin from the world.

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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2018, 01:34:11 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply there is so much going on in the first tabernacle easy to get side tracked.


 7  But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

 8  The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

 9  Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience     


V7 here we see that it is only through blood that our sins can be washed clean but the blood of animals was not good enough that's why it had to be offered every year.
It is only the blood of the lamb of God Jesus Christ that can wash away our sins completely he has paid the price we are saved through his blood.

V8 here we see that access to the holiest of all was not possible while the first tabernacle was still standing.
I feel that the first tabernacle is a representation of Israe, Israel had to be removed so that we could have access to the holiest of all but we are told that all Israel will be saved.

V9 Here we are told that all the sacrifices of the first tabernacle could not make the giver perfect something better was needed the perfect sinless sacrifice the son of God.
It was only this sacrifice that could remove sin from the world.

Love and Peace
Dave

v7 It was a very dangerous thing for any human being to enter the second room. Only once a year, on the Day of Atonement, was the high priest allowed to enter the Most Holy Place - provided he took with him the blood of sacrifice to sprinkle onto the lid of the Ark.
v8 Thus the very nature of Tabernacle worship bore witness to its inadequacy. God was not approachable; even while living symbolically in the midst of His people, He remained at a distance, and access to His presence was severely restricted. There was an impenetrable barrier between the first and second rooms that no amount of animal sacrifices could break down.
The first Tabernacle doesn't represent Israel, but the old covenant (Israel hasn't been removed - they're very much around!) The first 'room' of the Tabernacle, like the first covenant, was a place of exclusion and frustration. But when the first room is dismantled, we will all be able to enter directly into the presence of God.
v9,10 All these things were purely symbolic; the real barrier between human beings and God was never a physical barrier in a building but an internal, spiritual barrier located in the conscience. And so it could not be removed by the physical rituals of the old covenant. Those rituals are now obsolete, because their purpose has been accomplished.
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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2018, 02:55:29 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply like to read your replies always some good insights.

Heb 9:10  Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11  But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12  Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
   


V10 we see hear that the things of the first Tabernacle were not the real thing but only copies the words of St Paul come to mind " we see in a glass darkly" the services of first tabernacle were only mirror images of what was to come which is Christ.

v11 Yes Christ has come our great high priest the greater and more perfect tabernacle spoken of here of course is his Body which is the church it is a completely new tabernacle and entirely separate from the old which was passing away.

V12 It was by his own blood that he entered the true holy of holies the  throne room of the father to sit at his right hand till all his enemies would be made his footstool.


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Re: Letter to the Hebrews
« Reply #109 on: Today at 12:36:08 PM »
Hi Deborah
Thank you for your reply like to read your replies always some good insights.

Heb 9:10  Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11  But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Heb 9:12  Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
   


V10 we see hear that the things of the first Tabernacle were not the real thing but only copies the words of St Paul come to mind " we see in a glass darkly" the services of first tabernacle were only mirror images of what was to come which is Christ.

v11 Yes Christ has come our great high priest the greater and more perfect tabernacle spoken of here of course is his Body which is the church it is a completely new tabernacle and entirely separate from the old which was passing away.

V12 It was by his own blood that he entered the true holy of holies the  throne room of the father to sit at his right hand till all his enemies would be made his footstool.


Love and Peace

Dave   

v11,12 But the death of Jesus has changed everything; the new age has already arrived!
What made the difference? The nature of the sacrifice that He offered and the location where He offered it. He alone was able to enter God's actual presence in heaven - not once a year, but once for all. And the death that He presented as atonement was not that of an animal but His own.
Thus He paid the full redemption price for all God's people - a price for which nothing in this world would have been sufficient (I Peter 1:18,19).
The sacrifices of the old covenant had only limited and temporary effectiveness; but the redemption that Christ has procured for us is valid for ever.
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)