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How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« on: October 29, 2017, 01:07:26 AM »
How much of my life  is mine and how much is spiritual interference ?








Offline francis drake

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 08:18:44 AM »
How much of my life  is mine and how much is spiritual interference ?
That depends entirely on you.

If you heed demonic whispers as most do, including Christians, then demons will interfere.
If you ignore the whispers of the Holy Spirit, then the Lord will not interfere, but will leave you to make a mess of your life.

And usually that mess will invite demonic interference.

Because of Adam's invitation, and mankind's continued daily invitations, the devil is the God of this world. Jesus made that very clear.
Therefore, we as the children of the Lord are living and moving in enemy territory.

We know that Jesus has conquered the world, but until Christians grow into maturity and know how to appropriate that victory, they remain subject to the world, living no different to non believers.
You only have to look at the church to see that fact.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 03:04:32 AM »
That depends entirely on you.

If you heed demonic whispers as most do, including Christians, then demons will interfere.
If you ignore the whispers of the Holy Spirit, then the Lord will not interfere, but will leave you to make a mess of your life.

And usually that mess will invite demonic interference.

Because of Adam's invitation, and mankind's continued daily invitations, the devil is the God of this world. Jesus made that very clear.
Therefore, we as the children of the Lord are living and moving in enemy territory.

We know that Jesus has conquered the world, but until Christians grow into maturity and know how to appropriate that victory, they remain subject to the world, living no different to non believers.
You only have to look at the church to see that fact.

Well I think the Church has the most denomic inteference because it has the most effect in spiritual places

Children feeding on milk should be protected until they mature [unless of course they never mature ]

I cannot think of many outside of the Church - that have any effect in spiritual places - unless of course  you are among the few single persons - that are brave enough to take on "spiritual places"

Without support -in which case be aware that you will  invite spiritual interference - and I remind you that the early disciples invited  turmoil into their lives - by being lone Apostles. [building the Church]

The Church being built upon this interference [whether heavenly or from the lower heavens. @francis drake

Of course the Church that has the greatest effect in spiriual places is the Church that has the greatest effect in the world.

A lone person in Christ can make a significance difference to the world [but wthout support and leadership can wander and has no headship and therefore can be  prone to attack.

I would suggest a lone disciple can be like the early disciples - building Churches /fellowship/ yet being prone to attack [as the early dsiciples were] and those who have their own minds /willl/  are prone too.

Being  suspended in time as an early disciple has great beneifits - but I must remind you of the attacks that came upon the early dsciples.






Offline francis drake

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 09:16:42 AM »
Well I think the Church has the most denomic inteference because it has the most effect in spiritual places
The church has proved itself a complete failure. If it truly had "the most effect in spiritual places" that you claim, the nation would not be in the appalling spiritual state it now is.
Most churches have completely surrendered to the ruling powers of this world. Ruling powers don't need to attack those who have surrendered to them, they just make sure they are taught the new rules to live by.
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Children feeding on milk should be protected until they mature [unless of course they never mature ]
They still drink milk because they are led by people who still drink milk. Blind leading the blind comes to mind.
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I cannot think of many outside of the Church - that have any effect in spiritual places - unless of course  you are among the few single persons - that are brave enough to take on "spiritual places"
I haven't seen many remaining within the church that have any effect in spiritual places either.
I know many spiritual warriors outside the church system that are far more effective in warfare than those within.
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Without support -in which case be aware that you will  invite spiritual interference - and I remind you that the early disciples invited  turmoil into their lives - by being lone Apostles. [building the Church]

The Church being built upon this interference [whether heavenly or from the lower heavens. @francis drake
Haven't a clue what you are saying here, the church should be built on the Rock alone, Christ himself.
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Of course the Church that has the greatest effect in spiriual places is the Church that has the greatest effect in the world.
Thus the lamentable state of the world (ie. Britain) is again proof of the lamentable spiritual state of the church.
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A lone person in Christ can make a significance difference to the world [but wthout support and leadership can wander and has no headship and therefore can be  prone to attack.
Support? Leadership? Headship? From the church, you're having a laugh Tes!
My head is Christ alone. To put any other man over my head dishonours Christ. The doctrine of "covering" is demonic.
Given that the church wanders around wherever their pet doctrine takes them, only a fool would heed their leading.
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I would suggest a lone disciple can be like the early disciples - building Churches /fellowship/ yet being prone to attack [as the early dsiciples were] and those who have their own minds /willl/  are prone too.
Of course he is likely to be under attack, but if he is called to that walk, he will be well practiced at spiritual warfare and know victory over the demons.


Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 12:46:10 AM »
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My head is Christ alone. To put any other man over my head dishonours Christ.

So what about a father or mother for that matter! you honour Christ by being obedient to them.  Ephesians 6:2

Taking it further as a metaphor Genesis 2:24 - verse 32..  This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. and verse 33  Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.



Then we have Christ and the Church in Ephesians 5:22-33  Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church

I don't know any scripture about not submitting to men who are under Christ [the Head of the Church]

In the same way why would a wife submit to a husband - "if he does not submit to Christ"  or why would a man submit to a wife when she is not under the  headship of Christ ... indeed this would disolve all marriages and families and make the Church without a Head.

Sure their are many families/marriages/children  without a head or Head - the chldren may honour them or may not.

there may be many who do not honour a headship/Headship/ over them .

But even the early discples recognised an order - re : elders/deacons/  Acts 6:3-4

Indeed heaven has elders, a hirarchy of heavenly beings.

Of course this causes interference and may go against my will - but that is what submitting is about.

I lower myself to allow another - as in John 3:30 -

With your analogy - John was dishonoring Christ.

As the men servants of King David must have dishonored  David and bond slaves must have been dishonouring their masters and so it goes on.

This analogy is faulty   - as we all submit to others [whether we know it or not] as I had to submit to my non Christian parents [not knowing any scripture] to the world the hierarchy exists anyway and is basic instinct.

You still have to submit the law of the land and to authorities over you [whether man or woman/boss ]


In the world you have wives submitting to husbands who have no Headship [but only headship/ or only as they allow]

You have men submitting to women or both submitting to each other...

So going back to the topic, "it is the persons will to submit to another/ as Christ sun=bmitted to His Father in heaven"

This can cause spiritual interference - as either other peoples will's misdirect us or direct us to God.

Of cause spiritual or Spiritual intereference can also come through other people around us [whether that be family/friends/wives/husbands/etc.

You only have to look at Christ going to the Cross to see how the spiritual world can interfere with the natural/physical.

so going back to John the Baptist who lowered himself to make Christ greater [submitted] it must be some kind of metaphor here "as John was beheaded" - yet Christ lowered/submitted  Himself to be baptised by John in Matthew 3:13-14

As Jesus Headship was God the Father - so He lowered Himself /submitted to a man to be baptised....






Offline Tes Johnson

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 01:26:15 AM »
I  posted this - knowing how you would respond and you  submitted a response, in the way I knew you would   :D

This is not good   {how much more would the spiritual know your response]














Offline francis drake

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 10:00:32 PM »
I  posted this - knowing how you would respond and you  submitted a response, in the way I knew you would   :D

This is not good   {how much more would the spiritual know your response]
Your response was equally predictable Tes.
But what's not good and why is it not good?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: How much is my will and how much is spiritual interference?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 11:50:57 PM »
 :D

good answer