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Offline francis drake

Re: How can I be born again from my will ?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 10:11:06 AM »
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Hilarious, well done Dave.
You now owe me a new keyboard, being that its swimming in the coffee I splurted all over it when I read your reply!
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: How can I be born again from my will ?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2017, 11:05:08 AM »
I am not really sure about this.
You should seriously heed your own answers here Tes, because they are directly pointing to the truth.
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I mean the babies of Mary and Elizabeth responded in the womb . [ having no knowledge of scripture or will [in that they could not decide/ being that they were still developing a will/repsonse]
 
Absolutely.
I have repeatedly testified to the fact that I was born again over a decade before I was ever given the gospel or said the sinner's prayer. Also my wife at age 3 went up to heaven like Paul did. And she never heard the gospel or "became a Christian" till she was 18.
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Does it really come down to a salvation prayer
Nope.
But the salvation prayer helps the church keep score doesn't it?
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or a response of my will ?
Yep, that's where it new birth starts, not at the salvation prayer. And that's where God keeps score in His Book of Life, not the church records file.
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I cannot help think of babies leaving life without a choice or of those in prison - as in : Matthew 25:36
God is just Tes, as you well know. As John the Baptist proves, all babies have that choice.
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It would seem that God/Jesus/associiates Himself wth sinners.
Not just any sinners, but humble sinners, only those willing to respond to the conviction of the spirit.
God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. The angry reaction Jesus showed the Scribes, Pharisees, Lawyers etc proves that he does not associate with any old sinner, but a particular sort of sinner!
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In my experience [ not that experience - is confirmation of being God's]

God can speak to a child as He did to me [I acknowledge that I only began to understand His voice - once I was saved and having looked back over my life]
And me and me and me and him and her and uncle Tom Cobbley and all. You've said it before Tes. Start believing what it shows you.

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However if I had died as a boy - then would I now be fated or destined to eternal life without God ?
Of course not, why would you imagine that nonsense.
Once you are born again, or precisely born from above by the Spirit of God, Then you are a child of God.
And just as you can never shake off your earthly Father's DNA in your body, you can never shake off your Heavenly Father's DNA in your spirit.
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Is it deendent  on my will or descison - maybe I am now non and viod, including those who are born incapable of living a normal life or thinking as you and me do.

I am not sure that my will has anything to do with it [but then I may be wrong] and children/infants/those not having a capasiity  to understand and  growing /developing will/ may well decide their destiny.
As is the norm, you are looking at the word "understand" from an intellectual perspective. Like understanding Maths or Geology. But your intellectual perspective is not what gets you new birth.
When the Spirit of God comes near a tiny fetus in the womb, that living child has an active human spirit that is perfectly able to respond the pure love that emanates from God. No words are needed, just a receptive heart to God himself. And if that presence of God is received, then God's life is implanted then and there.
No intellect needed. The child belongs to God and has already been paid for by the blood of Jesus.
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Think for a moment if a child like that in Luke 1:41   is this child was not born [ths would have changed biblical biblical history - but it is something to think about.
God dwells outside of time and knows the end from the beginning, therefore before creation he knew the willing hearts of Mary and Elizabeth, and John still in the womb.
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If I am born brain damaged and starved of oxygen -was that God's will, that I had no response to be saved ?
It is never God's will that anyone is born brain damaged. Nevertheless, the human response to God has never ever been driven by the brain has it? Scripture makes it clear that our brain is the enemy of God, and the very thing that opposes God's spirit.
Man only responds to God via the Spirit, not the brain or mind.
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My theology now condemns, instead  of visiting those in prison. [in this I now condemn myself - according to my theology]
You've lost me here Tes? Makes no sense.
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I think if I were born unable to speak or hear - then we mihgt seak more about my response - but if I am unable to respond... then only God would know the heart and in this "I might be a baby within a womb leaping because I have seen another like me"
How many times do we read that Jesus knew their hearts?
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Whether an unborn baby has a will is another topic - but I believe the will develops through life.
I don't know, do the unborn have a will ?
Of course an unborn has a will, especially when it comes to responding to God.
In fact a fetus has a great advantage in that his intellect is so perfectly undeveloped or defiled with educational or religious garbage. That means his spirit has less interference from his mind.

Tes, you really need to start believing the very questions and answers you have posted here.
I have been hounding you on these points since I first joined the forum. They are revolutionary, but true, so take courage and unpack them, stop wavering.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: How can I be born again from my will ?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2017, 11:10:29 AM »
Expanding this further, there are some who only begin to realise themselves and who they are in their teen years.

There may be many who have commited their lives to Christ in their childhood only to walk away from it later on.

They may spend the rest of their lives denying God.


I see many children giving thier lives to Christ - only to leave once they have developed their will's.

Who decides ? [at the end of their lives]

We are using our adult and developed years to decide their fate. [On behalf of God]

I mean once you realise who you are ....  God already knew who you were....

You will find the answers in the parable of the prodigal son Tes.
No matter where he went on the planet, he was still his father's son.
Likewise, whether we change our name, have cosmetic surgery, dye our hair, invent a false background, we will still have our earthly father's dna.

Likewise the prodigal. Likewise all those born of God's spirit.
If we remain as prodigal sons, we will just have wasted this life.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)