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Re: What is the truth for today?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 08:43:20 AM »
Your definition of covetousness is not quite the same as mine, evidently! The tenth commandment deals specifically with what (already) belongs to your neighbour. I would call what you describe 'selfishness' (something we're all guilty of!)
And what about the first four commandments? Is love of money not idolatry?
 
But as I said before, this is not the Law. This is 100% commitment to Jesus - which can only be done through faith in Him.

That is true - however, the young man was not able to keep all the commandments. Nobody can. He was then confronted with Christ. In Christ alone is salvation, not in the Law. It was as true then as it is now.
Your definition of covetousness is not quite the same as mine, evidently! The tenth commandment deals specifically with what (already) belongs to your neighbour. I would call what you describe 'selfishness' something we are all guilty of.

And what about the first four commandments? Is love of money not idolatry?
@Deborah

Hello again,

To covet, to me, is a strong desire to posses something, especially something belonging to another. It is a form of idolatry, I agree.

Matthew 19:16=27, concerns works, reward and inheritance, as a comparison with the record in the other gospels will show. Entrance into the Messianic kingdom, the restoration of the  kingdom to Israel, and the times of restitution of all things are what the Jew looked for. (Acts 1:6

The earthly kingdom: entrance into it, and entrance into life are parallel in the synoptic gospels.  It is a reward for faithful service. In Mark's gospel we are told that, beholding this young man, the Lord loved him, which leads me to believe that he was not without faith.  He was not seeking salvation, he sought to do some [i']good thing'[/i]in order to enter into life in the kingdom in which the Messiah would reign. Following Jesus would achieve what he desired as we see from the Lord's response to Peter's question which followed in Matt.19:27-28.
 
Matthew 19:16-27
Mark 10:17-28
Luke 18:18-28

* Reading all three accounts made me reevaluate my thinking a little on this subject: compare also Luke 10:25-37.

* In Marks account we are told that the Lord knew that this young man lacked just one thing, Mark 10:21.

* We cannot judge this passage by the light we have received in this dispensation, but, must 'try the things that differ'.(Phil.1:10 RV)

I will leave this here.
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Re: What is the truth for today?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 09:04:37 AM »
For Comparison: Luke 10:25-37

'And, behold,
a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted Him,
saying, "Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
He said unto him,
"What is written in the law? how readest thou?"
And he answering said,
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
.. and with all thy soul,
.... and with all thy strength,
...... and with all thy mind;
........ and thy neighbour as thyself.
And He said unto him,
"Thou hast answered right:
this do, and thou shalt live."

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus,
"And who is my neighbour?"

And Jesus answering said,
"A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho,
and fell among thieves,
which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him,
and departed, leaving him half dead.
- And by chance there came down a certain priest that way:
and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
- And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place,
came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
- But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was:
and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds,
pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast,
and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed,
he took out two pence, and gave them to the host,
and said unto him, "Take care of him;
and whatsoever thou spendest more,
when I come again, I will repay thee."

Which now of these three, thinkest thou,
was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?"

And he said,
"He that shewed mercy on him."
Then said Jesus unto him,
"Go, and do thou likewise."[/i]


* This approach by the Lawyer and the Lord's response, is very like that of Matthew 19:16-27, isn't it?

* The parable of the good Samaritan is what is usually considered and enlarged upon in the pulpit, but it is a response to a question, and that should not be overlooked, but considered in the light of the fact that Matthew's gospel was written very much for the Jew, and reflects their culture and faith. It should not be judged, or interpreted, according to the light we have received since our Lord's death and resurrection through the epistles of Paul.

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Re: What is the truth for today?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 09:20:27 AM »
Hello there,

The question which opens this thread, I took from a site I visit, thinking it would be good to consider here.  After entering it I began to wonder what I had let myself in for in doing so.  But, I am so grateful to the Lord for it now, for I am learning so much in having to apply myself to the responses that have been made.  I have had to study and search and think deeply about subsequent scriptures, and it has been edifying to me and caused me to praise God, which is so very good.  Thank you to @davetaff  and @Deborah for taking part so far.

Praise God!

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Re: What is the truth for today?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 03:00:36 PM »
For Comparison: Luke 10:25-37

* This approach by the Lawyer and the Lord's response, is very like that of Matthew 19:16-27, isn't it?

* The parable of the good Samaritan is what is usually considered and enlarged upon in the pulpit, but it is a response to a question, and that should not be overlooked, but considered in the light of the fact that this gospel was written very much for the Jew, and reflects their culture and faith. It should not be judged, or interpreted, according to the light we have received since our Lord's death and resurrection through the epistles of Paul.

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Cariad

Oh come on... we know that Luke was a Gentile, and are as certain as we can be that his gospel was addressed to Gentiles ("Theophilus" suggests a God-fearer or new Christian convert). How on earth can you claim that "it was written very much for the Jew"?

In this instance we know that the lawyer was not asking a genuine question, but was trying to test or trick Jesus. So there is no call to follow Jesus given to him. He remains bound to the Law.
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

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Re: What is the truth for today?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2017, 04:46:07 PM »
Oh come on... we know that Luke was a Gentile, and are as certain as we can be that his gospel was addressed to Gentiles ("Theophilus" suggests a God-fearer or new Christian convert). How on earth can you claim that "it was written very much for the Jew"?

In this instance we know that the lawyer was not asking a genuine question, but was trying to test or trick Jesus. So there is no call to follow Jesus given to him. He remains bound to the Law.
@Deborah

Hello there,

Forgive me for misleading you, it was Matthew I had in mind when I quoted Luke, and forgot to say that it was to Matthew's gospel that I referred when I said, 'it was very much written for the Jew',  I have now altered the text to put that right.  So, thank you for pointing it out.

As far as your comment concerning the lawyer: that he was not asking a genuine question; perhaps I should repeat your words to me, and say, 'Oh come on!', Deborah,  :D for you really are clutching at straws with this remark.  Trick question or not, the Lord always answered truthfully.  He did not stoop to such tactics as theirs. The fact that He did not say the words, 'follow me' is not an issue, Deborah: it was the close resemblance between Luke 10:25-37 and Matthew 19:16-27, and the matter of our Lord's responses, which caused me to point it out.

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Re: What is the truth for today?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 08:05:23 AM »
It is a new day, morning has broken, and with it has come a greater appreciation of Matthew 19, as I re-read it.  How wonderful God's Word is, isn't it? 

In the question of the opening post: Matthew 19:17 is used to illustrate the contrast between the ministry of our Lord. when on earth, to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and the ministry of the risen Christ, through Paul, chosen to be the Apostle to the Gentiles.  For the words, ' ... if thou wilt enter life, keep the commandments', would not be used, to seekers after eternal life, in this dispensation of grace.

Though, as @Deborah has pointed out, in regard to the words, 'follow me' : the entrance into life is shown; for the Lord Jesus Christ is the door by which we enter into life eternal. This is illustrated in the conversation following with His disciples, in regard to the difficulty a rich man would have in entering the Kingdom of God: it's door, being likened to the narrow entrance into the city at night, and the impossibility of a camel going through it. It would, in the case of a rich man, require that He unload his camel of all His many possessions in order to enter in. To which, Peter says, 'Who then can be saved'. Then the Lord says, '... With men this is impossible, but with God nothing is impossible, ' which gives us a glimpse of the gospel of grace which is to come.  For when we seek to enter into life, on the basis of His sacrificial work, nothing in our hands can we bring, all our works, regardless of their worth, must be unloaded, and left outside the door.

Praise God!

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