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Offline Rose Anna

The differences between joy and happiness.
« on: October 12, 2017, 10:45:17 AM »
Joy and Happiness

Are they the same thing in part or completely the same?
Or are they different in part or completely different?



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Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 11:11:11 AM »
Joy and Happiness

Are they the same thing in part or completely the same?
Or are they different in part or completely different?


Hello @Rose Anna,

I believe joy to be uninfluenced by circumstance, whereas happiness is very much so.

A study of the use of these words in Scripture would be profitable, wouldn't it?

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Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 07:58:54 PM »
@Rose Anna

Happiness in the Scriptures, I have found, is associated with blessing, eg., for obedience.  Joy an outpouring of spontaneous delight. 
There are several words in both the Hebrew and the Greek which are translated 'happy', and the same with the word '' joy.'
Each word providing a different insight into the use of both.

Worth checking out. :D
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Offline Rose Anna

Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 09:15:34 PM »
Hello @Cariad

I look upon happiness as an earthly blessing, pertaining to the flesh.
And joy as a heavenly blessing, pertaining to the spirit, divinely given by the Holy Spirit.

Joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
And is there no matter the circumstances, showing evidence that joy is a divine attribute.

Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds,  because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. James 1:2-4

Joy is different to happiness. That is  because people can be happy regarding their circumstances but not experience the joy, from the Holy Spirit.

Also people may not have the appearances of happy circumstances. Yet experience joy in their walk with God, who renews the way of thinking and gives them an inner joy.

That is sustained through difficulties and situations, that don't look happy but by the way a person walks with God in them can give eternal values.

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Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 10:44:35 AM »
Hello @Cariad

I look upon happiness as an earthly blessing, pertaining to the flesh.
And joy as a heavenly blessing, pertaining to the spirit, divinely given by the Holy Spirit.

Joy is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
And is there no matter the circumstances, showing evidence that joy is a divine attribute.

Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds,  because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. James 1:2-4

Joy is different to happiness. That is  because people can be happy regarding their circumstances but not experience the joy, from the Holy Spirit.

Also people may not have the appearances of happy circumstances. Yet experience joy in their walk with God, who renews the way of thinking and gives them an inner joy.

That is sustained through difficulties and situations, that don't look happy but by the way a person walks with God in them can give eternal values.
@Rose Anna,

We appear to be of the same mind on this.  :)  Thank you for the verse you provided from James.

The first verse where the word, 'happy', occurs is in Gen.30:13 

'And Leah said, "Happy am I,
for the daughters will call me blessed:
and she called his name Asher."


Poor Leah, she was not loved by her husband, Jacob, for he was tricked into marrying her by her Father. Now she had ceased child-bearing, which was the one means she had to gain his affection.  The Lord had seen her plight and had enabled her to have children (Gen.29:31), and with the birth of her first child, 'Reuben', her hope was expressed, in Gen 29:32,) '... Surely the LORD hath looked upon my affliction; now therefore my husband will love me..  This was her desire, but it was not to be.  She went on to give birth to Simeon and Levi, and again she expressed the same desire, but again it was not to be. 

With the birth of her fourth child, Judah, her response changed, no longer did she look for a change in her husbands affection, but praised the Lord. (Gen 29:35) 

'And she conceived again, and bare a son:
and she said," Now will I praise the LORD:"
therefore she called his name Judah;
and left bearing.'


There is so much that can be learned from this story of Leah, her sister Rachel, and their husband, Jacob, isn't there? Yet, I love the fact that with the birth of Judah, who would produce the line through which our Lord would be born, her personal preoccupation with what she desired in life was replaced by praise to the Lord. 

This is so typical of each one of us, isn't it?  We are so preoccupied with our own selves, our desires in the flesh, and fail to fully appreciate the blessing of the Lord, which we have on a daily basis, but He continues to bless and ultimately achieves His goal, that He should receive our praise, and be our preoccupation.

We are not always able to have what we want in life, but the one sure knowledge we can have is, that the Lord is faithful and will continue to bless, and that we can therefore know joy, regardless of our circumstances.

In Genesis 30:13, Leah's handmaid had given birth to a son for Leah, named 'Asher': and Leah uses the word, 'happy' to express how she felt. Her happiness was because this further son, would raise her prestige in the eyes of her peers; the rivalry between her sister Rachel and herself was so great.  So, now again, preoccupation with self and how she looked in the eyes of her peers was what concerned her.

* The flesh wars against the spirit, doesn't it?  (Gal.5:17) but the happiness it brings is shallow in comparison to the joy we have in the Lord.  How we need to keep our eyes stayed on our Saviour, at God's right hand, for having Him as our preoccupation we will know joy unspeakable and full of glory.

Thank you, Rose Anna,
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Offline Rose Anna

Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2017, 11:04:16 AM »
Thank you for this @Cariad.

I had just written the following as you were posting. I just read what you had written about Leah and it took a journey for her to realise her joy was from the Lord not in her husband.

Reminds me of the woman at the well who was told that her thirst for fulfillment was found in the living water of Christ.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. Romans 14:17

I think that is an example of how  many people expressed the happiness of the world, with no relationship with God. In contrast to the purpose, fulfillment, eternity and joy in relationship with God.

 To eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die, is in the bible. Isaiah 22:13
For man has nothing better under the sun, without God.

In connection to lovers over pleasure over lovers of God. 2 Timothy 3:4

Enjoying life is not wrong. Just there is a point where many can make that override God. Overlooking that the true abundance of life is with Him.

What do they gain in the long run though, if they gain the whole world but forfeit their soul. Mark 8:36

Overlooking and refusing the promise of joy and eternal life, through Jesus Christ. John 10:10

Offline Rose Anna

Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 07:40:08 AM »
Thankyou @Cariad for your example in Leah. Those kind of examples help us to relate to the topic and what is being said. Eg. What you said related to James 1:2-4 so well, and so uniquely. I like that kind of original way of connecting them together. In what you said. It gave more explanation to the word in James. Not making it  look so unattainable but in the reality of how  life is.

Its amazing over how much can be learnt from the bible,even opening up more insights from the experiences. That is where certain details can be looked at with fresh understanding, and they were previously overlooked.


Offline Rose Anna

Re: The differences between joy and happiness.
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 02:54:12 PM »
Does our old, or new nature motivate us?

 The old nature is "self seeking", holding us captive to the sinful desires. Romans 7:23

Therefore holding us back from experiencing the fullness of the Holy Spirit. Preventing the joy.

The old nature cannot please God and is hostile to God.
Romans 8:7-8

The old nature pertains to flesh, that is decaying to death. Where as the new nature pertains to the spirit in relationship with the Holy Spirit, that is renewing us to life.

Outwardly we are decaying but inwardly we are being renewed.2 Corinthians 4:16

The flesh is weak but the spirit is willing. Matthew 26:41

Willing to walk with God.

To walk in His love is to cast out all fear. 1 John 4:18

I'm not there yet and have a long way to go yet!

You probably heard this before but just adding.

J Jesus first
O Others second
Y Yourself last

To experience JOY. Galatians 5:19-23
Matthew 16:24