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Matthew 15:24
« on: October 11, 2017, 01:30:08 PM »
'But He answered and said,
"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." '

(Mat 15:24) 


* Why did Jesus Christ say that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?



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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 11:53:14 AM »
Hi Chris
He said it because it was the truth he came to fulfil all the prophecies of the OT he came as Israels King but they rejected him.
But we know Christ will succeed in his mission in the last days all Israel will be saved.
We also know that the first coming of our lord was part of Gods plan to present his only begotten son as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
So Is real also fulfilled the prophesies about them and we should be great full they did otherwise there would be no for givenness for sin.

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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 07:37:51 PM »
@davetaff

Hi Dave,

Thank you for unfailingly rising to the challenge of responding to questions raised.  I do thank you for it.  I simply wanted to know the understanding of fellow members concerning this statement, made by our Lord, during His earthly ministry.  You have provided your insight, for which I am grateful, but it would be good if others would come forward too, wouldn't it?

Romans 15:8  says:-
'Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God,
to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:'


* In verse 9, Paul goes on to Look at the Gentiles: but this verse is appropriate for the question raised, isn't it?  Romans 9:4-5, is also applicable:-
 
'Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth the adoption,
.. and the glory,
.... and the covenants,
...... and the giving of the law,
........ and the service of God,
.......... and the promises;
Whose are the fathers,
.. and of whom
.... as concerning the flesh
...... Christ came,
Who is over all, God blessed for ever.
Amen.'


I will leave it there to see if anyone else will add more.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


 



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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 08:10:05 PM »
'But He answered and said,
"I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." '

(Mat 15:24) 


* Why did Jesus Christ say that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Although every single phrase Jesus utters has significant meaning, the relevant whole meaning can only be found by checking the context. And in this example, Jesus was showing the Jews what true faith is really about, and that faith coming from a despised enemy of the Jews.
Matt15v21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a demon. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Here we see that his comment about the lost sheep of the house of Israel is not actually about Israel, but about a Canaanite woman he is pretending to reject.
Knowing the end from the beginning, what appears to be a rude rejection just causes the woman's faith to become even more insistent, which is obviously the purpose of his negative response.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2017, 11:19:59 AM »
Although every single phrase Jesus utters has significant meaning, the relevant whole meaning can only be found by checking the context. And in this example, Jesus was showing the Jews what true faith is really about, and that faith coming from a despised enemy of the Jews.
Matt15v21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a demon. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Here we see that his comment about the lost sheep of the house of Israel is not actually about Israel, but about a Canaanite woman he is pretending to reject.
Knowing the end from the beginning, what appears to be a rude rejection just causes the woman's faith to become even more insistent, which is obviously the purpose of his negative response.
@francis drake

Hello there,

Thank you, f.d., but if that were so, how do you account for the same restriction being placed on the twelve disciples, when our Lord sent them out in, Matthew 10:5-7:- 

'These twelve Jesus sent forth,
and commanded them, saying,
"Go not into the way of the Gentiles,
and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(Mat 10:7)  And as ye go, preach, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is at hand."
'

* Clear and precise instruction is given, as to what and to whom they should preach.  Our Lord's earthly ministry was directed to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Jer. 50:6,7 KJV), with the view that they should, as a nation, acknowledge Him as their Messiah and fulfil the priestly role (Exod.19:6 KJV) among the nations that had been allotted to them (Gen.12:2-3; 22:18 KJV).

* It will yet be fulfilled. (Rev.1:6; 5:10 KJV)

Praise God!

* He came unto His own, and His own received Him not (John 1:11).
* He is their Kinsman Redeemer. (Isa.49:6-7; Heb.2:16) KJV

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 11:49:54 AM »
Although every single phrase Jesus utters has significant meaning, the relevant whole meaning can only be found by checking the context. And in this example, Jesus was showing the Jews what true faith is really about, and that faith coming from a despised enemy of the Jews.
Matt15v21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a demon. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Here we see that his comment about the lost sheep of the house of Israel is not actually about Israel, but about a Canaanite woman he is pretending to reject.
Knowing the end from the beginning, what appears to be a rude rejection just causes the woman's faith to become even more insistent, which is obviously the purpose of his negative response.
@francis drake

Hello again,

Just one more point: if that were so, f.d., why did Jesus not acknowledge the gentile woman until she acknowledged Israel as her masters? Matt.15:22-28, Mark 7:26-29

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Cariad



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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 02:15:22 PM »
Hi
Jest wondering who are the lost sheep is it the ten tribes that broke away from the two tribes of Juda and Benjamin was it Christ mission to unite all the tribes of Israel under one king.

I think Cariad is right Christ came to unite all the tribes of Israel as is seen by his commands to his apostles
and as St Paul tells us he went first to the Jews if they did not listen he then went to the gentiles.

Even Peter needed to be told to go to the gentiles in a vision

Act 11:5  I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6  Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7  And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8  But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9  But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10  And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11  And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12  And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:


This happened three times and peter understood it to mean he was to go to the gentiles because the they had been cleansed by the blood of the lamb of God.

Question is why were the gentiles depicted as animals and wild beasts a question for another thread maybe.

Love and Peace
Dave
 

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Re: Matthew 15:24
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 03:24:30 PM »
@francis drake

Hello again,

Just one more point: if that were so, f.d., why did Jesus not acknowledge the gentile woman until she acknowledged Israel as her masters? Matt.15:22-28, Mark 7:26-29

In Christ Jesus
Cariad
The woman is acknowledging Jesus as her master, not Israel. ie. The master (Jesus) is feeding his children (the Israelites), and its His table that she eats crumbs under.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)