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Offline John

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2017, 11:48:26 AM »

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Cariad,
          "The Christian life requires a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of practical wisdom, and a certain level of self-control and discipline. Make sure that you don't walk away from God because of your own bad choices.
This is not true. If it were, it would not be a case of, 'whosoever will may come'; and it would close the door to many a poor soul, who could never achieve the standard you are setting. " 

What standard is a "certain level of intelligence etc"? 
Children can understand the gospel at their level of intelligence and respond to it.
Adults should move from the milk of the gospel onto the solid meat of knowledge of God.
There is no set of marks that have to be reached.


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Offline John

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 12:04:13 PM »
It is interesting that Jesus said, 'make every effort to enter by the narrow gate., Luke 13:22-30
and in the gospels we see people making great efforts to get so they could hear him or be healed by him.
The man born blind, had to make his way across the city to wash in a pool inorder that he migh see.

Even OT saints had to exercise faith. Moses had to believe it was God speaking out of the bush, he could have turned and run in terror. David had to step out in faith when he confronted the bear or the lion.

If one studies the NT the repeated emphersis on personal effort, not for salvation but for holiness, obedience, is clear.

Romans 12:1+2 mind transformed, to test what Gods will is.
1Cor 10:13 temptation and away of escape, which we have to make the effort to take!
Acts 24:16 striving to keep his conscience clear.
2Cor13:5 examine oneself
1Thess 5:12 acknowledge those who work hard
1Tim4:10 train oneself to be Godly

We are called to be obedient in Love to Jesus. Are you really saying that obedience to Jesus requires no effort on your part?

Offline Rose Anna

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 12:38:42 PM »

Another phrase or description may be needed for those who need some effort on their behalf.
Like "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you."
He gives more grace to the humble but opposes the proud.
Therefore humility and heart response to God is needed, in those examples of effort.

Yet in regards to letting go and let God.
Have you thought of seeing the phrase in a different perspective

It is a way of saying not in my strength but in your strength in me, in letting go and letting God.

Waiting on the Lord then He does things His way and in His timing through the person.

I do not think that the phrase "letting go and letting God" was intended to be interpreted as being taken to the extreme of being completely dormant.

Its more for those who are striving to walk with God in their own strength, instead of His strength enabling them to walk with Him.

Its a way of saying how to rely on Him in their thoughts, words and actions. Instead of their own thoughts, words and actions.

Its a way of saying that a persons faith should be activated by the grace and power of Christ.

The phrase has got nothing to do with not doing nothing at all. Indeed faith without works is dead.

This is to do with reliance on God.
The phrase is not to do with  the effort on our behalf. That is another subject.

For this is to do with relying on Christ to do something through us in our heart, thoughts, words and actions.
I think @John the posters are saying the same thing as you.

Just you are seeing the phrase let go and let God in a different context, when its simply to mean to rely on God. Not that anyone should do nothing at all.
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