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Offline John

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« on: September 27, 2017, 10:07:42 AM »

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Sorry Cariad,
                   your suggestion to let go and let God is unbiblical nonsence.
Look at Jesus's parables, the lost coin, lost sheep and think about the effort involved and the heartsearching that those people would have gone through.

Look at his healing miracles and how often grat effort or courage was required by those seeking healing.

Jesus taught in Luke 13 that we are to make every effort to enter salvation through the narrow gate.
Then there is the passage no body likes in Hebrews 12 v 4 about Not having resisted temptation to the point of shedding blood!'


Yes we do not earn or deserve salvation, but we do not ever let go and let God.
any more then we drop out and and turn on.

We are to work as Christians to do the good works God has prepared for us.
TheChristianlife is not easy, if it were why would we be supplied with armour?



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Let go and let God
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 11:02:07 AM »
Let talk about super spiritual nonsence that has nothing to do with Christianity.

First let say what Christianity is.

Christianity is true, based on historical facts, grounded in reality and is the bases for our western culture.
Because it is the above it is not all about 'feeling good' or having a 'warm glow' it is also about knowing the facts, being able to explain rationaly why and what one believes.

Lets look at some nonesence see :-
https://winteryknight.com/2017/09/26/why-did-dan-barker-leave-christianity-for-atheism/

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This is apparently widespread, especially among anti-intellectual denominations. Another ex-Pentecostal atheist woman I heard about from people who knew her when she was young decided to drop out of college to travel around North America doing pro-life work. When she found herself penniless, unmarried and without children in her mid-30s, she decided to have a baby out of wedlock. The government will pay for it, she said. Rather than trying to justify this decision as a Christian, she blamed God for not making her madness ?work out?. She is now an atheist, because God did not reward her decision to live fearlessly for him with a husband and children. It was all God?s fault. There is a whole subculture within Christianity, where the pursuit of fun and thrills can be masked with pious language, and all talk of prudence and restraint is seen as cowardice and lack of faith.
 
The Christian life requires a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of practical wisdom, and a certain level of self-control and discipline. Make sure that you don?t walk away from God because of your own bad choices.


To repeat again Christianity is not about 'feeling good', but about a reason that one believes in the truth, because you have met and know he who is the truth.
https://winteryknight.com/2017/09/26/why-did-dan-barker-leave-christianity-for-atheism/

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Re: Let go and let God
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 02:28:27 PM »
Being a Christian is not about relying on the Tree of knowledge of good and evil, this is religion.

Make sure your knowledge and wisdom you prosthelytize is gained from the Tree of life.

Nothing uber spiritual about that, just advising on the spiritual gift of discernment that should be used.
God is Spirit,  God is Love. 
Be the Spirit led Ambassadors for Christ that you are meant to be.
Your words and actions should produce life not death.
Love never fails.

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 11:25:51 PM »

Let talk about super spiritual nonsence that has nothing to do with Christianity.

First let say what Christianity is.

Christianity is true, based on historical facts, grounded in reality and is the bases for our western culture.
Because it is the above it is not all about 'feeling good' or having a 'warm glow' it is also about knowing the facts, being able to explain rationaly why and what one believes.

Lets look at some nonesence see :-
https://winteryknight.com/2017/09/26/why-did-dan-barker-leave-christianity-for-atheism/

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This is apparently widespread, especially among anti-intellectual denominations. Another ex-Pentecostal atheist woman I heard about from people who knew her when she was young decided to drop out of college to travel around North America doing pro-life work. When she found herself penniless, unmarried and without children in her mid-30s, she decided to have a baby out of wedlock. The government will pay for it, she said. Rather than trying to justify this decision as a Christian, she blamed God for not making her madness ?work out?. She is now an atheist, because God did not reward her decision to live fearlessly for him with a husband and children. It was all God?s fault. There is a whole subculture within Christianity, where the pursuit of fun and thrills can be masked with pious language, and all talk of prudence and restraint is seen as cowardice and lack of faith.
 
The Christian life requires a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of practical wisdom, and a certain level of self-control and discipline. Make sure that you don?t walk away from God because of your own bad choices.


To repeat again Christianity is not about 'feeling good', but about a reason that one believes in the truth, because you have met and know he who is the truth.


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Let talk about super spiritual nonsence that has nothing to do with Christianity.


Your right John "people were first caled Christians at Antioch"

However ..........

Let go and let God is found in scripture from Genesis to the book of revelation.


Moses was used as a vessel by God to lead the people out of Egypt, [Moses had to let go to let God]

Moses found himself in situations he did not want to be in and in places he did not want to go to .

As did King David as he waited in the dark caves for God to restore him back to his Kingship.

John another exiled person - [adding a twist of scripture for flavour John 21:18  ]

I doubt if John wanted exile [or King David for that matter] being lowered into boiling oil and being a slave at patmos is not really thre way anyone would want to end thier lives.


Letgo and let God leads you into  situations you do not want to be in and places you do not want to go...

This is based on hard scriptural fact [by the way I see no scripture on that link you have given John]






https://winteryknight.com/2017/09/26/why-did-dan-barker-leave-christianity-for-atheism/

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2017, 12:07:54 AM »
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This is apparently widespread, especially among anti-intellectual denominations.

What on earth is an anti-intellectual denomination ?





See, I even added a result of "let go and let God"  :D

Re : Let go and let God leads you into  situations you do not want to be in and places you do not want to go...



I Look through scripture and find that most of the characters in places they do not want to be  :D



This reminds me of a child and children [some children are bron in places they do not want to be and families they do not want to be in]

I will leave it there............







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Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2017, 01:06:41 AM »
Sorry Cariad,
                   your suggestion to let go and let God is unbiblical nonsence.
Look at Jesus's parables, the lost coin, lost sheep and think about the effort involved and the heartsearching that those people would have gone through.

Look at his healing miracles and how often grat effort or courage was required by those seeking healing.

Jesus taught in Luke 13 that we are to make every effort to enter salvation through the narrow gate.
Then there is the passage no body likes in Hebrews 12 v 4 about Not having resisted temptation to the point of shedding blood!'


Yes we do not earn or deserve salvation, but we do not ever let go and let God.
any more then we drop out and and turn on.

We are to work as Christians to do the good works God has prepared for us.
TheChristianlife is not easy, if it were why would we be supplied with armour?

* On the contrary, letting go and letting God take over is the only way of empowerment that we have.  We reckon on His finished work, and rejoice in His salvation, only then can we 'work out' what God has 'worked in', but it is His work from start to finish.  He is the author and finisher of our faith.

* We 'stand' with our armour on, John, and see the salvation of our God, for it is He Who works for us, He who alone can wield the sword of the spirit, in our defence against the wiles of the enemy.  It is a spiritual battle, and so it is He that must work. 

* Our part is to reckon on the completeness of His finished work by faith and rejoice in Him.

Praise His Name!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2017, 01:18:37 AM »
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John:
The Christian life requires a certain level of intelligence, a certain level of practical wisdom, and a certain level of self-control and discipline. Make sure that you don't walk away from God because of your own bad choices.

Hello @John,

This is not true. If it were, it would not be a case of, 'whosoever will may come'; and it would close the door to many a poor soul, who could never achieve the standard you are setting.   

'For ye see your calling, brethren,
how that not many wise men after the flesh,
not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world
to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world,
and things which are despised,
hath God chosen,
yea, and things which are not,
to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence.
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us wisdom,
and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'

(1Cor 1:26-31)

Praise God! 

In Christ Jesus
Cariad



Offline Rose Anna

Re: its not easy to become a christian
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2017, 08:34:22 AM »
I see let go and let God, as letting God's strength filling  human weakness.

To let go of our ways and strength to enable God to do it through us by His ways and His strength.

Thats not being dormant but letting Him being the hand inside the glove, by activating faith.

We cannot strive without God and by human effort.

 My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.2 Corinthians 12:9

How did David defeat the giant but through the power and might of God working through.

How do we defeat the giants in our lives.

Through admiting to God our failures and faults and praying He will work through us by His grace.

The righteous live by faith.

 "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30
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