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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2017, 12:39:16 AM »

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Are you suggesting that I am?
Paul gave many general warnings to the whole church to whom he wrote.
(In each church, the spiritual condition of each person varied widely.)
I am doing the same.

No - which is why I applied it to myself



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In each church, the spiritual condition of each person varied widely

But the letters to the Churches were sent  to pastors/leaders/ of congregations addressing the entire Church [apart from Laodicea /etc/ Revelation 2:20, even then the congregation were at fault...

Why should a Church be judged for the fault  of one - or the one be judged for the sin of many ?

In this I can condemn myself for not being my brothers keeper !

Hope you get my opposing argument...




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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 01:31:11 AM »

be careful about being a messenger - as all these things now also  apply to you .


Offline John

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 05:40:10 AM »
 :If you want a modern prophetic message read  Ken ham,s blog a storm of respondents to reclaiming the rainbow.

Offline Browner

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 07:24:05 PM »
:If you want a modern prophetic message read  Ken ham,s blog a storm of respondents to reclaiming the rainbow.

While in San Diego, my wife and I worked with Ken for 5 years at his conferences.
"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

Offline Browner

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2017, 07:31:26 PM »
Here are some additional comments on 6 of the NT passages in the OP ?

?If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.  It is better for you to enter
  into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell? (Mark 9:43)
Does Jesus go overboard in trying to express the incredible seriousness of sin?

?You will be hated by all for My name?s sake. But he who endures   
  to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally).? (Matthew 10:22)
There are about 15 NT verses which teach this spiritual Truth above.
And, enduring in the faith until death includes ?
? Not falling away during the times of severe persecution of Christians
? Not submitting to the incredible pressure of taking the dreaded mark of the beast
Both of these severe TESTS will be coming upon professing Christians soon!
Re: taking the mark, be sure you read the eternal consequences in Rev.13-14.

?Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
  and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
  Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.? (James 1:15-16)
Sin brings forth eternal death upon believers also, unless it is repented of!
?If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
  and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.? (1 John 1:9)
Repentance includes all of the following: the sorrow over committing the sin,
the confessing it to God, the asking forgiveness for it, the stopping of doing it.

?In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
  whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God? (1 John 3:10)
?He who practices righteousness is righteous? (1 John 3:7)
Many believers have been deceived by the gospel of hyper-grace, the ?Me gospel?.
They have been deceived into believing that they have been made
FOREVER righteous because of what Jesus did for them on the Cross.
They have NOT been made FOREVER anything by God?s free gift of grace.
They have NOT been made FOREVER justified, righteous, sanctified, saved, etc.
NO GUARANTEES is what the NT teaches! ? because ?
We see that all of God?s blessings are CONDITIONAL ? all throughout the whole Bible!
Warning: gifts can be taken back, seals can be broken, etc.
Because believers are required to do their part in their salvation.
They are required to co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit.
And the opposite of this is the most-deadly practicing of habitual (unrepentant) sin!

?And do NOT present your member as instruments of unrighteousness to sin,
but present yourselves to God ? as instruments of righteousness to God.
? Do you not know that ? you are that one?s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness? ? so now
present your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
? For the end of those things (past sins) is (eternal) death.
... For the wages of sin is (eternal) death,
but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.? (Romans 6:13?23)
Paul is writing to born-again believers in Rome (who are strangers to him).
He warns them: sinning, being slaves of sin, being unrighteous ? leads to eternal death!
Attention: believers just do NOT understand Paul?s method of writing to the churches.
It is all about being tactful, so he will be welcome to visit them (and teach them more).
Paul mixes his warnings in amongst his MANY edifications, exhortations, blessings, etc.
And he leaves it up to the precious Holy Spirit to reveal the deep meaning of Scripture.
Warning: deceived believers are mistakenly taught to focus on the last line above,
and they just do not realize that all of God?s blessings are CONDITIONAL,
which is seen all throughout the whole entire Bible!

Believers are taught that passages such as the Romans 6 simply do NOT apply to them!
The churches do NOT want to get the troops upset ?
because the troops come trooping in every Sunday with their tithes!
To be fair, some church leadership are not this way ? they have just been
deceived by the greatest lair and deceiver in history, whose name is Satan!
"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

Offline John

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2017, 09:49:56 PM »
I an always amazed that people think that god does not know what people are like.
Jesus died and rose again in the full knowledge of what his people would be like and he still went to the cross.
as 1John1v9 say He is Faithfull, even when we aren't.

Offline francis drake

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2017, 10:04:18 PM »
Here are some additional comments on 6 of the NT passages in the OP ?

?If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.  It is better for you to enter
  into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell? (Mark 9:43)
Does Jesus go overboard in trying to express the incredible seriousness of sin?
Browner, just curious, do you still have both hands and feet?
Do you still have your eyeballs?
I ask because the full scripture in its context says that by now, you @Browner, should be pretty much defunct as a human being..
Mark9v43If your hand causes you to fall into sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.
45If your foot causes you to fall into sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47And if your eye causes you to fall into sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.

Because you @Browner claim the above is a literal command, then you, are obviously obliged to fulfil it to the letter.
The most difficult part of the command is obviously the final bit of chopping off the second arm for repeatedly sinning, something quite natural to man.
Nevertheless, I happen to know some decent butchers who would do it for a small sum. Or if you are close, I could pop down and oblige with my chainsaw.

Seriously though Browner, if you take the scriptures you keep quoting as literal, then you must have succeeded at total self perfection, or alternatively be a blind paraplegic.
There is no middle way, perfection or mutilation. That's the consequences of your message.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Browner

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2017, 01:49:09 PM »
Drakester, I asked:

Does Jesus go overboard in trying to express the incredible seriousness of sin?

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.  It is better for you to enter
  into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell" (Mark 9:43)


I suppose you could always answer the question!
"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

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