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Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« on: September 23, 2017, 09:48:59 PM »

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Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?

"wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to (eternal)   
  destruction ? narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which
  leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)
  The truth of the narrow way has not at all been taught in its full reality.
  There are many NT verses which prove how narrow the way really is!

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter the kingdom
  of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven ...
  I will declare to them, 'I never knew you (approved of you); depart
  from Me, you who practice lawlessness (sin)!' " (Matthew 7:21-23)
  There's much more to doing God's will than merely believing in Jesus!
  Yes, sin keeps you out of the kingdom ... see the NT "sin lists"
  (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-6).

"You will be hated by all for My name?s sake. But he who endures   
  to the end (until his death) will be saved (eternally)." (Matthew 10:22)
  There are about 15 NT verses which teach us ... the believer must
  endure in the faith until death to receive eternal life (and some are below).

"But if you want to enter into (eternal) life, keep the commandments."
  (Matthew 19:17)
"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me."
  (John 14:21, also John 14:23 & John 15:14)
  Does anyone get into heaven who does NOT love Jesus and obey Him?

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.  It is better for you to enter
  into life maimed rather than having two hands and go to hell" (Mark 9:43)
  Surely, Jesus is emphasizing the incredible seriousness of sin! 

"For whoever desires to save his (worldly) life will lose it (eternal life)
  but whoever loses his (worldly) life for My sake will save it (eternal life).
  For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is
  himself destroyed or lost (eternal death)" (Luke 9:24-25 and John 12:25)

"And those who are Christ?s have crucified the flesh" (Galatians 5:24)
"For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternally)" (Romans 8:13)
"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
  that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh
  reap corruption (eternal death)" (Galatians 6:7-8)
 
"the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received
  ... by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which
  I preached to you ? unless you believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2)

"Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin;
  and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death.
  Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren." (James 1:15-16)

"But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
  and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in 
  destruction and perdition (eternal death) ... Command those who
  are rich ... that they may lay hold on to eternal life." (1 Timothy 6:9-19)

"My righteous ones will live by faith. But I will take no pleasure
  in anyone who turns away. ...  But we are not like those who turn
  away from God to their own destruction (eternal death).  We are
  the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved." (Hebrews 10:38-39)
  Paul says some believers turn back to their destruction, but in fact,
  he has NO idea who will remain faithful to the end, or who will turn away!

"In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
  whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God" (1 John 3:10)
"He who practices righteousness is righteous" (1 John 3:7)

"He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
  and he shall be My son.  But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,
  murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars
  shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
  which is the second death (eternal death)." (Revelation 21:7-8)
  The "cowardly" include believers who fall from the faith when persecuted
  for their Christian faith, or later submit to taking the mark of the beast.

"But there shall by no means enter it (the New Jerusalem) anything
  that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those
  who are written in the Lamb?s Book of Life." (Revelation 21:27)

"He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and
  I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life" (Revelation 3:5)

Jesus gives His definition of who the victorious "overcomer is ...
"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
  as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." (Revelation 3:21)         
Just what did Jesus overcome?  Primarily: the world, sin, and the devil.
We today are the deceived church of Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22).

"If you refuse to forgive others, your Father won?t forgive your sins." (Matthew 6:15)   
  Unforgiveness blocks you from heaven, and it also blocks you from being healed!

"Fear the Lord and keep His commandments ... so that you may be saved.
 ... So have faith in Him and fear Him and by that fear exercise self-control.
 Keep these commandments.  If you do, you will put on the strength of
 righteousness, and cast all wickedness from you, and live to God."
 ("The Shepherd of Hermas" -- most popular Christian "book during 100-400 a.d.
  Quoted as Scripture by such as: Irenaeas, Clement, Origen, Codex Sinaiticus.
  The Shepherd (an angel?) calls himself: ?the Shepherd and messenger of repentance?.)

"Fear God, who has the power ... to throw you into hell" (Luke 12:5)
... unless you repent you will all likewise perish." (Luke 13:3 and 13:5)
 
"beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh
  and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God ... your sorrow
  (over my first letter to you) led to repentance ... For godly sorrow
  produces repentance leading to salvation." (2 Corinthians 7:1-10)   
  Yes, our current sins will be forgiven through deep and sincere repentance!

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
  and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)
"When the Lord saw that their repentance was good and pure, and that they
 were able to remain in it, He ordered their former sins to be blotted out.?
 ("The Shepherd of Hermas" ... he?s not nearly as tactful as the earlier Epistles)

Has Satan deceived you? ? Has he deceived your church?

Satan hates God, and he hates you! ... He and his demons work
tirelessly to succeed in having you spend eternity in hell with them.
"the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4)
"the ruler of this world" (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11)
"the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world" (Revelation 12:9)
"he is a liar and the father of it (lies)" (John 8:44)
"evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world" (Ephesians 6:12)

Have you been deceived into believing in "once saved, always saved",
and that your sins (past, present, and future) have all been forgiven?
(Also, have you been deceived into believing in a pre-tribulation rapture?)
Heads-up!  The dozens of warnings in the NT are there for a purpose!
For example: "you are that one?s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, OR
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness ... now present
your bodies as slaves of righteousness for holiness." (Romans 6:16,19)

Born-agains have been given a new nature and the indwelling Holy Spirit
to free them from their bondage to Satan ... and from their slavery to sin!


"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

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Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 10:33:42 PM »
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Have I been deceived by Satan through your church?


No
"God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace." (II Timothy 1:9)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2017, 12:33:05 AM »
Not sure why you have added "through your Church" ?

Yes i have been deceived online - no not through people I see and meet  in real life.




In real life and in the Church , mmm not really..




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Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2017, 11:29:19 AM »
Well i will answer the in red highlighted questions mixed into the myriad of Scriptures you have laid out.


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Please tell me why NT passages such as these do NOT apply to you?

What has you assume they do not? 
What has you starting off your post from such an offensive attacking standpoint?
Why are you so 'on guard'? 
What is motivating you? 
What is YOUR root problem?
Is this the manner in which you address and approach your congregation?
What spirit is it that is driving you?
Where is the Love?

And onto the next baiting questions...
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Has satan deceived you? Has he deceived your church?

No is answer to the 1st
No to the 2nd as in the true church of God.
Yes to the many churches orchestrated and controlled by man for profit and control. 
Introducing rules, dogmas and doctrines not even biblical in nature. 
Building divide and barriers for God's beloved keeping them away from Him,  rather than breaking the walls and barriers down. 
Keeping them  from intimate relationship with Him. 
God wants relationship not religion,  period. 
To suggest that the churches in majority do not do this with their rotas and organised services making God wait in line with His Spirit for when he is told it is okay to step in,  is dillusional and stupidity at best. 

Suppose your going to say this does not happen in your church right? 



God is Spirit,  God is Love. 
Be the Spirit led Ambassadors for Christ that you are meant to be.
Your words and actions should produce life not death.
Love never fails.
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Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2017, 07:51:32 PM »
Everyone falls short of the glory of God and everyone makes mistakes, about the bible.

Even those who genuinely know God can do so, on the journey to being the person He created them to be.

Then eventually they learn more truth, and learn by their mistakes. Not even a child of God is yet perfected "but will be."

Who has all the answers and all the truth in doctrines.

No one but Christ, and in His light more and more truth is learned by each genuine child of God. The truth taking fruit in their walk with them.

There are distinctions between genuine mistakes within a relationship with God, and those who
at heart reject Him.

For those in a relationship with Jesus:
For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known. 1 Corinthians 13:12

A child of God will know somethings and especially what God sees as important but they will not know everything.

Therefore whether a person is correct or incorrect in some ways, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are not a child of God.
Just because you do not agree with them.

The difference is: Between those in a relationship with Christ, who are still learning and those who do reject Jesus in their heart and actively walk and display another Jesus.

Those who pretend and have false humility and false love. Those who don't have it in reality.

Those who love the idols of money, materialism, pleasure, false religion, power and control over God. Who use that to attack those who do know a relationship with Christ and not religion.

By all means, its good and important to present others the means and ways of knowing whether they are in a relationship with God or not.
Only in the right way and in the way God guides.

Also to realise that satan will try to knock those children in Christ, who have a problem with feeling rejection and feeling condemned.

Therefore please do not be condemned by listening to satans lies, if you are truely in a relationship with Jesus and know the Fathers love and tenderness for you. As satan will work through people to make you feel discouraged, rejected and ineffective.

Dear true children of God, please don't listen to these lies and let God renew you and take captive of your thoughts and place the power of satan and his lies under your feet.
Truth wins over your walk with God, over lies that discourage. Let the power and authority of Christ be in your life and that is to know His mercy, kindness and love.

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Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 08:30:35 PM »
I do not know the condition of UK churches.
But, IMO, most people in American churches
are involved in habitual unrepentant sinning!
Unless these ones sincerely repent of their sins
they will not be entering heaven.
The OP is simply a warning to such people.

BTW, women especially tend to take these things personally,
but I am warning the church populace in general ...
who think they are A-OK, good to go, etc., but in fact are not.
"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 12:57:24 AM »
No idea about American Churches.

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but I am warning the church populace in general ...


I think the book of revelation, does that.

Also you will find the persecuted Church and underground Church - on a different level.

Also I remind myself not to paint all people with the same brush  within these Churches.




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Re: Have you been deceived by Satan through your church?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 07:59:16 PM »
I remind myself not to paint all people with the same brush within these Churches.

Are you suggesting that I am?
Paul gave many general warnings to the whole church to whom he wrote.
(In each church, the spiritual condition of each person varied widely.)
I am doing the same.
"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether
(slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
(slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
... so now present your members as
slaves of righteousness for (leading to) holiness." (Romans 6:16-19)

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