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Offline Cariad

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Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 01:15:15 PM »

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Hi Ladies
I was jest wondering could the God of Love be the cause of such death and destruction.
We do know that satan is more than capable after all he is the God of this world and what better way to turn people away from God than to create this evil world we live in.

When our Lord told his disciples of the end times I don't think he meant that he would be the cause of course he dose allow it to happen the only reason I can think of is it must continue till the full number of the gentiles have come in and only God knows how many that is.
I do believe we are in the end times we are coming to the end of the sixth day of this creation.

Anyone have any thoughts on what this means

. 2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night     

Love and peace
Dave

Hello Dave,

Matthew 24:6-8, warns concerning the events leading up to the end of the age, including war, earthquake, famine and disease. These are not spoken of as judgements, and I don't think we should consider them to be so.  For we are living in an age of grace.  The time of God's judgement is yet to come.

As to the interpretation of the verse you have quoted, Dave,(1Th 5:1)  But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

'For yourselves know perfectly
that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, "Peace and safety";
then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child;
and they shall not escape.

(1 Thess. 5:2,3)

* This applies to those who are in darkness, who do not have the light of the Lord, because of unbelief, as the following verses show:-
 
'But ye, brethren, are not in darkness,
that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day:
we are not of the night, nor of darkness.'
.
(1 Thess. 5:4,5)

* As in the days of Noah, people will be going about their daily lives, oblivious of the approaching danger, for they are in darkness, though unbelief: they have not received the light of life. So that day will come upon them with stealth, as a thief, who operates in the darkness .

* At the time this was spoken the expectation of the return of Christ was high: for Israel had not yet finally rejected the Lord of Glory to the point of being laid aside in unbelief; as happened in Acts 28.  The believers at Thessalonica were looking for the events promised in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.

'Therefore let us not sleep, as do others;
but let us watch and be sober.'
For they that sleep sleep in the night;
and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober,
putting on the breastplate of faith and love;
and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who died for us,

that, whether we wake or sleep,
we should live together with Him.
Wherefore comfort yourselves together,
and edify one another, even as also ye do.'

(1 Thess 5:11)

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Cariad

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Offline Rose Anna

Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2017, 01:33:47 PM »

It was more a case of considering reaping what they sow,  by throwing God away.  Hosea 8:7
This just tumbled on me as I tried to make this post understood.
In fact in Hosea 8:3 says they throw away the good and so the enemy pursues them
The destruction is from the devil.
 Its not God bringing judgement.
Yet along the lines of judgement being brought on to themselves. Though of course many innocent people suffer alongside those who are actively hating God.

Maybe I shouldnt have used the word judgements but just a general consequence of what happens as a  result of the populations love growing cold, and they lose the protection from God, including protection from the natural elements.
That was what I was trying to say.
Its not God's fault but what they bring on themselves, through being thoroughly hostile to Him and quenching the Holy Spirit.
Nevertheless God wants them to turn to Him and so He can help them, especially so they do not perish but have eternal life.
Sorry if I said it incorrectly.

Offline Rose Anna

Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2017, 10:22:58 PM »
I'm pleased about the mention of Jesus coming as a thief in the night!
That Cariad gave a good response showing that it fitted the children of darkness, who are unprepared.

That is what I was trying to pinpoint, about the warning sound of the fast winds in the hurricane. It sounded like a very eerie train horn and anyone near to that would be terrified.

Of course God is NOT in that type of wind.

Yet He wants people to be alerted that He is there to help them.
That if in their heart they turn to Him they will be justified and transformed, in Christ.
That truely is good news in a world that is darkening.
There is a Light. The Light of Christ.
The Light of Christ exposes our deeds and it is better for people to admit them to God now, and be transformed.
Then for it to be at the apocalypse and I think the sound of the hurricane gave a small foretaste of that.
Of course its better to embrace the good news, without fear around us.
Only so many shun God away and yet still He is offering mercy.

Enough said. It isn't all doom and gloom, in seeing the truth of prophesy unfold, as told from the Mount of Olive and that its getting nearer to the coming of Christ.

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