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Offline Rose Anna

Does God work through the natural elements?
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:58:50 PM »

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Does God work  through the natural elements, and through His presence not being in them?

I personally see it that light has come into the world but darkness was chosen over light. Consequently, the Holy Spirit is quenched and there is less light and protection, through a rejection of God. That gradually means a loss of the benefits He gives and protection is an example.
This must mean that God works through the natural elements, as shown when the world was created. The natural elements will work in harmony with us. Yet obviously havent perfectly all the time, since the fall.  We know that the natural elements can cause great devastation and destruction.
When scientist resolve something whether its an illness, disease or any problem there is relief and well done to them. Only along comes another illness, disease or problem as that is the result of this fallen world.That shows that we all need God as problems go around in a circle.
Coming back to the natural elements and  we can know how the mechanisms  work. It doesnt take away the fact that God can work through them.

Yet if God is rejected, people bring on the problems themselves. Like reaping what they sow
Thats how I see it but God wanting people to turn to Him and when devastations come there way.
Thats what I thought about when hurricane Irma came to the Carribean and east America.

It concerned me no end, as my daughter is in Cuba and travelling around south America. Thank God she is safe and for all the prayers for her and for others there.
Ive watched all the footage possible and we are in godless times. Directed to the public in general.Yet  people over there heard a  sound in Irma like an eerie train horn. I heard it on a video and it reminded me of the sounds of the world wars. Its even been described as apocalyptic.
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Offline Rose Anna

Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 01:16:30 PM »
1 Kings 19:11-12
So He said, "Go forth and stand on the mountain before the LORD " And behold, the LORD was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing.

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Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 04:37:02 PM »
Hello Rose Anna,

Interesting posts.

There is evidence of the Lord using the forces of nature to achieve His ends in the Old Testament, isn't there?

Wind: Gen. 8:1;  Exo.10:13,19; Exo.14:21; Exo.15:9,10; Num.1:31; 2 Sam.22:7-18;  1 Kings 18:42-45; 1 Kings 19:11;2 Kings 3:16-18;  Psa.104:1-5; Psa.107:23-30; Psa.135:5-7;  Psa.147:15-20; Psa.148:7,8; Eccl.1: 4-7;  Isa.11:15;  Isa.41:14-20; Jer.10:12-13; Jer.15:15-16; Eze.13:10-14; Eze.37:9; Hosea 13:12-15; Jonah 1:4; 4:8; Matt.14:24-33. Mark 4:37-41; Mark 6:48-51; Luke 8:22-25; John 6:16-21; Rev.7:1.

Hail: Exo.9:18-34;  Job.38:22-30;  Psa.18:6-19; Psa.78; Rev. 8:7; Rev.11:19; Rev.16:21

* Used in defence, as weapons of war, in judgement
* See also pestilence, famine and sword.

'And as He sat upon the mount of Olives,
the disciples came unto Him privately, saying,
"Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be the sign of thy coming?
and of the end of the world?"

'And Jesus answered and said unto them,
"Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My name,
saying, 'I am Christ';
and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled:
for all these things must come to pass,
but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation,
.. and kingdom against kingdom:
.... and there shall be famines,
...... and pestilences,
....... and earthquakes, in divers places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted,
.. and shall kill you:
.... and ye shall be hated of all nations for My Name's sake.
...... And then shall many be offended,
........ and shall betray one another,
.......... and shall hate one another.

And many false prophets shall rise,
and shall deceive many.

And because iniquity shall abound,
the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end,
the same shall be saved.

And This gospel of The kingdom
shall be preached in all the world
for a witness unto all nations;
and then shall the end come.'

(Mat 24:3-14)

* The increasing lawlessness and depravity of man, coupled with the increase in disaster, flood, famine and pestilence, makes me think that the things which have been prophesied concerning the Lord's return is coming to pass.  Yet the Lord's words are, 'see that ye be not troubled'

* We have been saved by God's wondrous grace, and our Lord's 'appearing' could well be close. Meanwhile:-

'For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing
of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity,
and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority.
Let no man despise thee.'

(Tit 2:11) 

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Cariad


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Offline Rose Anna

Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 06:00:51 PM »
Thank you for your post @Cariad it was very good. It backed up what I said.

It seems that  God is much easier on those who want to repent, than those who dont want to and are unwilling.

Knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of His coming For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:3-9

That through His love God allows these things to happen and so that they will turn to Him.

Yet not turning to Him when its easy, and not turning to Him when it is hard and increasingly so:
They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds.Revelation 16:11

 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.Revelation 9:6

Because of His love.
Not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9


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Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 06:17:06 PM »
Thank you for your post @Cariad it was very good. It backed up what I said.

It seems that  God is much easier on those who want to repent, than those who dont want to and are unwilling.

Knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of His coming For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:3-9

That through His love God allows these things to happen and so that they will turn to Him.

Yet not turning to Him when its easy, and not turning to Him when it is hard and increasingly so:
They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds.Revelation 16:11

 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.Revelation 9:6

Because of His love.
Not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9


* We have a Great and a Wonderful God, don't we, @Rose Anna?  It is not His desire that any should perish, but that all should come to a knowledge of His saving grace.

'I exhort therefore, that, first of all,
supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority;
that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved,
and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;
Who gave Himself a ransom for all,
'to be testified in due time.'

(1 Tim. 2:1-6) 

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad

Offline Rose Anna

Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2017, 11:17:52 AM »

Thank you @Cariad. God is great and wonderful.

Edited
As said I see it more as reaping what they sow, and that refusing God is pushing Him away and consequently His benefits away.
When severe weather comes, it is my belief that God wants people to see His kindness and mercy in rescueing them from eternal destruction, so their soul does not perish.

Generally, they can be used for His purposes and they are for good purposes to cause the unwilling heart to turn to Him.
 Although the loss of protection is  directly what people brought on themselves, by refusing the goodness of God and the benefits they took for granted. From what happened at the fall.

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Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2017, 11:55:25 AM »
Hi Ladies
I was jest wondering could the God of Love be the cause of such death and destruction.
We do know that satan is more than capable after all he is the God of this world and what better way to turn people away from God than to create this evil world we live in.

When our Lord told his disciples of the end times I don't think he meant that he would be the cause of course he dose allow it to happen the only reason I can think of is it must continue till the full number of the gentiles have come in and only God knows how many that is.
I do believe we are in the end times we are coming to the end of the sixth day of this creation.

Anyone have any thoughts on what this means

. 2  For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night     

Love and peace
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Offline Rose Anna

Re: Does God work through the natural elements?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2017, 12:03:55 PM »
Hi Ladies
I was jest wondering could the God of Love be the cause of such death and destruction.


Isnt it the exact opposite regarding the death and destruction.  For  He doesn't want anyone to perish but to come to repentance. To have eternal life.
 :D@davetaff that is what we said, put in a nutshell!



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