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Offline francis drake

Re: How good a christian do you think Moses was?
« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2017, 10:01:15 AM »
It seem s to me that you have all forgotten, or don't know exactly who a Christian is. Originally they were Jews who recognised Jesus as the Messiah, and chose to follow him. The term ' Christian' was given to them at Antioch as an insult, but they liked the name and adopted it.

Absolutely no, we haven't forgotten exactly who a Christian is, but I suspect you have missed the point here.

I was going to reply to your last comment where you said that Moses wasn't a Christian, but your comment here has laid the ground perfectly for what I wanted to say.

I agree that the name "Christian" was a label given from outside as it is clear from scripture that internally they generally referred to each other as "the saints", "the brethren", "the disciples", etc. and not as Christians.
In reference to the faith route they followed as believers in Jesus the Christ, they simply became "followers of the way", not Christians nor followers of Christianity. Jesus declared, "I am the way the truth and the life", so being "followers of the way" was following Jesus.

The Jews also used that description, ask for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any men or women belonging to the Way, he could bring them as prisoners to Jerusalem.

Acts22v4I persecuted this Way even to the death, detaining both men and women and throwing them into prison,

Acts24v14 However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,

The name Christ would never have been used by Jews in reference to Jesus (other than in mockery) for the simple reason that they vehemently denied he was the Christ. This is true throughout the gospels and afterwards.

The same would be true of the word "Christian". Jews in general (and in Antioch) would be unlikely to use this name because it would be an admission that Jesus was the Christ.
However Antioch was a Greek pagan city and the words "Christ" or "Christian" are Greek not Hebrew words, and these two words refer to the idea of an "anointing", ie. to a power that resides upon or within a person.

Christos: the Anointed One, Messiah, Christ
Original Word: Χριστός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Christos
Phonetic Spelling: (khris-tos')
Short Definition: Anointed One, the Messiah, the Christ
Definition: Anointed One; the Messiah, the Christ.

5547 Xrist?s (from 5548 /xr?ō, "anoint with olive oil") ? properly, "the Anointed One," the Christ (Hebrew, "Messiah").

Pagans in Antioch would are very unlikely to have heard of the life or death of Christ, as crucifixion was a very common spectacle all over the Roman Empire, so why would the death of a trouble maker in a far city be of interest to Antioch?
In my view, it is what they witnessed in the believers themselves that drew the name "Christian". ie. these people had a power upon them far beyond human possibility.
They healed the sick and cast out demons. They had an anointing on them a "chrisma"

Strong's Concordance
chrisma: an anointing, unction
Original Word: χρίσμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: chrisma
Phonetic Spelling: (khris'-mah)
Short Definition: an anointing
Definition: an anointing.

I believe that the word "Christian" was used at Antioch as a reference to the power that the citizens saw in these peculiar "followers of the way".

So back to Moses, a man who had such an anointing that he had to wear a veil over his face.
Ex34v29When Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the covenant law in his hands, he was not aware that his face was radiant because he had spoken with the Lord. 30When Aaron and all the Israelites saw Moses, his face was radiant, and they were afraid to come near him. ........................
...........33When Moses finished speaking to them, he put a veil over his face. 34But whenever he entered the Lord?s presence to speak with him, he removed the veil until he came out.

Any Greek, had he been around in Moses time, would have pointed the finger and yelled "Christian" at the man with the veil, the man whose face shone, the man who had done miracles beyond imagination!
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)