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Offline Rose Anna

Good and God, bad and the devil.
« on: July 16, 2017, 11:04:03 PM »
Can we discuss situations, and people who on one hand really show God in their life, and on the other hand really show the devil in their life, or his influence.
This is  where they have been greatly transformed.
Or a battle between good and bad.
Examples are David and Paul, who were transformed beyond recognition.
Also John  Newton.

Other examples are Peter, where God was in his life and revealed to him that Jesus was the Messiah. Yet not too long afterwards was told," get behind me satan."
There is Joshua a type of Christ. A foreshadow of what is to come.  Zechariah 3, who had God on one side of him and the devil on the other side of him.



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Re: Good and God, bad and the devil.
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2017, 02:52:42 PM »
Can we discuss situations, and people who on one hand really show God in their life, and on the other hand really show the devil in their life, or his influence.
This is  where they have been greatly transformed.
Or a battle between good and bad.
Examples are David and Paul, who were transformed beyond recognition.
Also John  Newton.

Other examples are Peter, where God was in his life and revealed to him that Jesus was the Messiah. Yet not too long afterwards was told," get behind me satan."
There is Joshua a type of Christ. A foreshadow of what is to come.  Zechariah 3, who had God on one side of him and the devil on the other side of him.


Hi Rose
Sounds like an interesting project hard to know where to start there are so many examples of God taking the worst of sinners and using them for his good purpose I have wondered why that is.
I have thought sometimes has God allowed evil in the world to serve his good purpose and he has shown us this in the people he transformed and used for his good purpose.
Jest a few thoughts do you have anyone specific in mind to start us of.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Good and God, bad and the devil.
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2017, 03:53:37 PM »
Can we discuss situations, and people, who on one hand really show God in their life, and on the other hand really show the devil in their life, or his influence.
This is where they have been greatly transformed.
Or a battle between good and bad.
Examples are David and Paul, who were transformed beyond recognition.
Also John  Newton.

Other examples are Peter, where God was in his life and revealed to him that Jesus was the Messiah. Yet not too long afterwards was told," get behind me satan."
There is Joshua a type of Christ. A foreshadow of what is to come.  Zechariah 3, who had God on one side of him and the devil on the other side of him.


Hello Rose Anna,

Thank you for referring us to Zechariah 3, and the vision given to Zechariah concerning Joshua the high priest. It is a lovely little glimpse behind the scenes isn't it?  Joshua stood before the angel of God:  the word, 'standing' meaning 'ministering'; Satan stood at his right hand as his adversary to accuse him (Rev.12:10), but God intervenes, and takes away Joshua's iniquity. 

* I think of Jacob (heal catcher, or contender), a man deceitful by nature, whose name was changed to, 'Israel' (God commands orders or rules). [Gen.32:28]  Only then did Jacob call God, 'El-elohe-Israel', or, 'GOD-the God-of-Israel' . [Gen.33:20]  Before this Jacob referred to God as the God of His Fathers - Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

See Genesis 35:1-3:-

'And God said unto Jacob,
"Arise, go up to Bethel, (meaning: 'house of God')
and dwell there:
and make there an altar unto GOD.
That appeared unto thee
when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother."
Then Jacob said unto his household,
and to all that were with him,
"Put away the strange gods that are among you,
and be clean, and change your garments:
and let us arise, and go up to Bethel;
and I will make there an altar unto GOD,
Who answered me in the day of my distress,
and was with me in the way which I went.
'


* The whole story needs to be read of course, but Jacob was changed, not only physically, but spiritually.  God was faithful that promised.

Praise God!

Good thread subject, Rose Anna. 
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Good and God, bad and the devil.
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2017, 07:48:18 PM »
Hi @davetaff and @Cariad

Thank you for your posts and particularly when they are lonely and no one responds.
They are always welcomed by a pleasant response, whether agreed or disagreed and so value that from you and others who post here.
Its great to see the tact in you disagreeing without hurting, discouraging and damaging others across the board.
Ive had such a busy day today. I wanted to post at the end of the day and so please excuse any waffling.
I gave Zechariah as an example because I find him interesting in the contrast of the devil and God, yet being a type of Christ. Showing the potential in any child of God.
For He that is in you is greater than he that is in the world.

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Re: Good and God, bad and the devil.
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2017, 02:41:07 PM »
Hi Rose and Chris
I have been thinking of Zechariah 3 and thought we ma take a look and see if we can learn something from it.

Zec 3:1  And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2  And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Zec 3:3  Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
Zec 3:4  And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
Zec 3:5  And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.
Zec 3:6  And the angel of the LORD protested unto Joshua, saying,
Zec 3:7  Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
Zec 3:8  Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.
Zec 3:9  For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zec 3:10  In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.   


The first thing that came to mind was Joshua and Jesus is the same name Joshua is Hebrew and Jesus is Greek I understand it to mean God saves.
So should we understand this as relating to Christ I thin maybe after his ascension into heaven He arrives in filthy rags this represents the sins of the world he took upon himself.

1Pe 2:24  Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
   


 then they take away his filthy rag our sins are cleansed and he is given clean white clothes and a mitre on his head indicating his office as Our High Priest.

then we are told that God will bring forth his servant the Branch

Isa 4:2  In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

 Isa 11:1  And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2  And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Jer 23:5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
 
Zec_6:12  And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
 


I think its plain to see the branch is our Lord Jesus Christ

Then we have the stone with seven eyes do you have any ideas what this may represent I think it may have something to do with creation but not sure.

And of course there is the question of satan standing there when God rebuked him is this when he was cast out of heaven?

Love and Peace
Dave
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