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Re: The grave
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2017, 05:18:29 PM »
Hi Devonboy
When we die we sleep in Christ we are with Christ we are his body and we sleep until  the resurrection as the previous scripture I have posed will testify to.
If we sleep in Christ for a 1000 years it will only seem like a moment will it not and when we are awakened it will it will feel like jest a moment.

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Re: The grave
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2017, 07:05:42 PM »
Hi Devonboy
When we die we sleep in Christ we are with Christ we are his body and we sleep until  the resurrection as the previous scripture I have posed will testify to.
If we sleep in Christ for a 1000 years it will only seem like a moment will it not and when we are awakened it will it will feel like jest a moment. 

Sorry but I disagree, my belief is that when I die my spirit will be with the Lord.
What we are talking about here, is an old chestnut that has been discussed down the ages therefore it is not surprising that we have different views on this forum, one day we will all know the truth.
The main thing is that we know and encourage others to know the truth about salvation and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Re: The grave
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2017, 07:58:58 PM »
Agree, and it would appear that Paul did not think that he was going to sleep when he departed this world but be with his Lord.

Absolutely, @Devonboy, for to be with the Lord would mean that Christ had returned.  That was the hope during the Acts period, but it depended on the repentance of Israel for it's fulfilment. Paul spoke about those who had died, 'in Christ', as being 'asleep in Him', in 2 Thess.4, so the concept was not a problem to Him.  However Paul's hope is the resurrection, out from among dead ones (exanastasis) - (Phil.3:11)

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Re: The grave
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2017, 09:58:48 PM »
Fair enough that is your opinion and I have mine, I will leave it there.

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Re: The grave
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2017, 09:44:58 AM »
Fair enough that is your opinion and I have mine, I will leave it there.
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Re: The grave
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2017, 10:21:49 AM »
I say AMEN to that

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Re: The grave
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2017, 11:22:14 AM »
Amen

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Re: The grave
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2017, 07:03:27 PM »
My apologies if any of this is incorrect. These are not absolute conclusions but based on seeking the experiences of the bible and other peoples' experiences.

There are a lot of disagreements, in considering  what happens to our spirit, when we pass away.
Experiences suggest both consciousness and sleep and the bible mentions both  as well.

I did say that the spirit is only Immortal when born again . It is otherwise mortal. The mortal spirit appears to outlive the body, but doesn't appear to be indestructable. Fitting the description of the second death. Matthew 10:28 Ezekiel 18:20
Jude 1:12 with the analogy of an uprooted tree, with no roots. Twice dead.
 
I would suggest that at the first death, the spirit goes either into the rest of the  presence of God which is a blissful sleep, or doesn't.

These  are suggestions only. It appears that the spirit cannot function without the body, and sleeps but is able to wake up. Like Samuel did. 1Samuel 28:11-15

Jesus preached to the spirits in prison. 1 Peter 3:19-20

There are scriptures on the sleeping as well. Only sleeping depends on how.
Jesus said:
And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. Luke 8:52

And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway. Luke 8:55


Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.John 11:11

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3:4

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2

( The latter could even referred to the redeemed. If you connect with 1 Corinthians 3:15kjv "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." Other versions describe as escaping fire.).

An example could be Solomon who is likely to have eternal life but has losses, due to his rebellion after being warned twice.

Yet David on the other hand was a man after the heart of God, after repentance from wildly going astray.

 Back to the topic.
Some scriptures on awakening from death.
Acts 9:36-44

Peter made everyone leave the room.

He knelt and prayed. Then he turned toward the body and said, Tabitha, get up!

Tabitha opened her eyes, saw Peter, and sat up. Peter took her hand and helped her stand up.

After he called the believers, especially the widows, he presented Tabitha to them. She was alive.

Now this has intrigued me:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.   
John 5:25

 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. John 5:28

It could be claimed that that is the power of awakening to the resurrection. Could it also refer to consciousness, I wonder prior to that.

While existing as we do, it is known that our thoughts come from the brain, our hearing from our ears and seeing with our eyes.

How do we perceive thoughts, words sound and sight without the body?

Through our spirit, heart, mind which is metaphysical and not explained in tangible form, or by science.

Yet is there and the main part of us, that loses the barriers of the body and physical world, on death.

Yet needs the body to function and probably cannot do much  but to sleep for thousands of years.

Experiences of others have described seeing their own body at death experiences. The  manifestations of ghosts, are said to be cold because of the energy they need to manifest, which makes the area cold. These are spirits in consciousness, and not in sleep at the time.

Coming back to this.
The promise of eternity starts when we are born again and the abundance of life. Yet I look upon that being perfected, at the better resurrection. Hebrews 11:40

The departing from the body is the intermediate stage, and seems to be  asleep but in the Lord's presence.