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confused22

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Re: The World
« on: July 05, 2017, 10:20:20 AM »
Hi @Mountain Goat ,

Sorry for butting in, but,

 A wonderful concept if one thinks of it... Just do what we want. Live life to the full...

As a Christian though, are you not doing what you want anyway - serving your God, and as such are you not therefore living your life to the full already?   What makes you think the easiest route is the Godless one?
Just curious.

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Re: Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2017, 11:04:38 AM »
Hi @Mountain Goat ,

Sorry for butting in, but,

 A wonderful concept if one thinks of it... Just do what we want. Live life to the full...

As a Christian though, are you not doing what you want anyway - serving your God, and as such are you not therefore living your life to the full already?   What makes you think the easiest route is the Godless one?
Just curious.

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Good point, @confused22

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: The World
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2017, 02:53:08 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your post if I may take them one at a time you said

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Hello @davetaff

With respect, much as I agree with you regarding the state of the dead, the 'rest', spoken of in, Hebrews 3:18 & 4:5, quoted by you (in red above) does not refer to this.

   


I agree I've not explained my self very well as usual yes you are right the text from Hebrews is referring to Gods rest.
what is Gods Rest I think Hebrews makes it quite clear it is a future event and we who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ can enter into that rest.

So what I meant was when we Die we enter the Grave a form of rest we sleep we are not conscious of anything until the resurrection when our Lord wakes us up we will enter Gods rest which I believe is the millennium.

So the time between the moment we die and the millenium can be a few hours or a thousand years we don't know but it will feel like going to sleep tonight and waking in the morning the time that has passed is irrelevant when we awake it will be to-day.

Why do I say the millenium is Gods rest because it is then that God hands everything over to the son Jesus Christ to finish the creation he puts all thing under his feet comes to pass.

There is another aspect that came to me today do we enter Gods rest through Baptism what I mean is when we die to self in baptism we then live for God in Christ are we automatically included in Gods rest because we are part of the body of Christ and Christ is with the Father.

Hope some of this makes sense.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Re: Hell and the lake of fire
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2017, 06:33:13 PM »
Dave,
         We can argue till the cows come home about hell etc as our understanding depends on how we interpret the bible but there are some issues that are crystal clear and salvation is one of them.

We are not saved by being baptised, but by trusting  in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Because we have been saved we are entering into God rest, not because we got wet.

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Re: The World
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2017, 02:03:36 AM »
Hi @Mountain Goat ,

Sorry for butting in, but,

 A wonderful concept if one thinks of it... Just do what we want. Live life to the full...

As a Christian though, are you not doing what you want anyway - serving your God, and as such are you not therefore living your life to the full already?   What makes you think the easiest route is the Godless one?
Just curious.

Confused22
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Funny is'nt it that some brought up in the bondage of the world "want to escape it"  - whereas others brought up in Christian surroundings want to break free - from it !


Don't forget that some have already gone down this worldy route/path [with or without their consent]  and it actually limits our life, once coming into the Kingdom - yes we are limited by God's Character - but the life in God is limitless...

Freedom leads us into captivity - whereas God leads us into life...


In other words I was brought up in the world and was born again at the age of 21.....

I was delivered from many things and brought into a new life...


I suppose the answer must be that "I had nothing to lose whereas they have everything to lose"

To be honest I find the whole thing a bit boring - as I was brought up in the world [not with my consent]  and I want to forget it and walk with God in freedom...

Freedom from captivity and bondage and into a new life [as I know all about the old life ]



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Re: The World
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2017, 08:39:56 AM »
Good morning @Tes Johnson ,



Apologies for boring you lol, and for using that broad brush, again, but MG, used a fairly broad brushstroke too, so i thought i was keeping in context . 

I get mixed messages re Christianity, and just wondered, why it's so difficult if it's so good, and if it's difficult, why do it, what are the benefits?  It sounds to me like, in some respects, Christianity is a cop out, i.e, the fact that your sins are forgiven, just taken away, no responsibility, sounds a bit too easy.  I don't even think it's that great in building confidence either, since a Christian would credit any good they did to God.   I think people can be rude, ignorant, wicked, nasty, and equally helpful, generous, and kind, regardless of what they believe.

I have some knowledge about the bible, and some, fairly enlightening encounters with apparent Christians, and perhaps the hypocrisy i've encountered there, goes some way to explaining why i'm so doubtful.

Different folks, different strokes (back to brushes again lol). 

You once said to me you thought it was people i had a problem with, and at the time i agreed, but, i think 'certain people' might have been more accurate.  There are people i love dearly and others i tolerate, an equal mix of Christians and non christians in both categories.  So i don't see the difference your beliefs make to anyone but yourself.  So if you're happy with what you believe, fabulous, as long as you're happy.

Still confused and ever so slightly miffed lol
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Re: The World
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2017, 10:19:56 AM »
Dave,
         We can argue till the cows come home about hell etc as our understanding depends on how we interpret the bible but there are some issues that are crystal clear and salvation is one of them.

We are not saved by being baptised, but by trusting  in the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Because we have been saved we are entering into God rest, not because we got wet.

Hi John
I can agree with you that salvation is the most important of all but what is salvation and when do we receive it.

I say at baptism and like you say it's not the water baptism we get in church but it's the spiritual baptism what I mean by that is when we immerse ourselves in the water of the word of God we die to self and live for God we are reborn of God into the body of his Son.

And as part of that body we have access to Gods sabbath rest at the resurrection.

I hope some of this makes sense.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: The World
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2017, 10:54:29 AM »
Hi C22,
                 "why it's so difficult if it's so good"
What standard are you useing to measure what is or is not 'good'

Jesus expanded the 10 commandmentdefinitions of 'god' from a physical obedience, to a mental obedience.
He said if a man looks with lust at a girl it is as bad as if he has already had sex with her.

Have you tried applying that standard to all the 10 commandments?

"Christianity is a cop out, i.e, the fact that your sins are forgiven, just taken away, no responsibility, sounds a bit too easy"

Yes it is easy for us,as someone else paid the penalty on our behalf.

But it does not mean that Christians canlive as they like, do anything they like. Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commands and he commanded us to love as he loves.

Needless to say Christians fail at this and need to constantly repent of our failures.