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Offline Christianna

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Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« on: April 07, 2017, 11:23:48 AM »
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In a previous post I discussed how God has given us all a variety of different earthly attributes. They are  in  science, inventions, art, music, theatre and wonderful discoveries etc. As well as heavenly attributes in relationship with Him, where His strengths are complete in human weakness.
They both glorify Him.

Yet its not a good thing at all, when humanity misuses it to pinpoint themselves through it  and leaves God out and persecuted Him, as I discussed.
Yet I believe earthly attributes can be used for the glory of God.

Only they are often valued more than heavenly attributes because they are to do with the natural realm and external appearances. The heavenly attributes are from Gods spiritual realm but I believe they make a far greater impact because they can penetrate to the heart.

How much of our earthly attributes are beneficial to sowing seeds to people?

It was my dads birthday and we were all around a table having a curry.
My dad has been searching for the truth. Yet I have persistently spoken to him about God our Creator and how  He is omnipotence, omnipresent and omniscience and part of Himself  came to the earth to be among us. As Jesus  the tangible manifestation of  God and man. I've spoken in more simple ways and more deep ways. Pray every day for them all.
Yet my dad still seeks the truth and he asked one of his deep questions around the table.
" so what is the origins of life then?"
My nephew who is just 19 chipped in and started talking about evolution.
They were all impressed at what he was saying and my brother said no one can argue against him.
I however was able to say somethings to get him to think deeper that should lead him to know God exists.
Only the case was typical as usual. There are constant interruptions.
Being spoken over, through half way in your sentences.
Not really thinking about the questions you actually probe but side issues that detour them away. Then saying things that sound very impressive but they are irrelevant to what you are saying.
They haven't listened.
The enemy snatches the seed away.
Then I think I'm going to be more persistent in this and assert myself and so they understand.
So I lift up my voice a bit more and notice I am listened to a bit more.
Only it makes me wonder that  our earthly strengths must be important sometimes in sowing seeds?
Peoples hearts are either receptive or they are not. Only surely in sowing seeds, its a question of delivering the Word . The result can take years to come to fruitition. As in genuine conversions they are not often immediate but the result of being fed and watered by Gods Holy Spirit and Word.
How much of our earthly strengths are involved and needed?




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Re: Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 02:49:35 PM »


Notes to expand on later:

The person behind creation v no person behind creation.

I said if the matter of the origin of life had no thoughts, but exploded into the universe how come we have thoughts being a small by product.
We have love.  Where does love come from if we originate from unthinking matter.

Morality,
There is no such thing as justice unless there is an anchor .
It's a comfort to know Someone Somewhere has a complete and thorough understanding of you and you can appreciate that when no one else does.

Verses self actualization that your self awareness means you have a complete understanding of yourself.
Only as human beings we have a need for relationships and self actualization is a lone island.

There is no relationship in self actualization. Its just yourself.
Injustice can also be suffered through others incomplete understanding,  as I know very, very well but you are enriched by your relationship with God who has a complete understanding of you.

We can have a relationship with God.
How if He is the universe.
Part of Himself came to the earth to dwell among us and so we can relate to Him in intangible ways, as well as tangible ways through Jesus, the manifestation of God.

Does it matter if people think that you believe in God  because you need comfort. You still sow seeds.
And its fundamentally true there is a human need to need relationship, need comfort and we all need God first.

Jesus was manifested as  God in the flesh.  Tangible evidence in Him, Ekklesia, the sights of Israel, fulfilled prophesy.

Yet people still turn a blind eye and have a hard heart.

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Re: Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2017, 05:20:40 PM »
It is good that questions are being asked. Sometimes the answer is not what the questioner is expecting.
I'e. the evolutionist cannot answer the question what is the origin of life, as evolution only takes place once there is life.

For many in your family it will be the consistancy of your life that will speak to them.

We need God's wisedom to know what and when to speak, so long as we do speak the spirit will use our words.

Can I remind you that only the Christian world view is logicaly consistant. Atheism cannot account for reason, morality, or the universal belief there is in God.

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Re: Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2017, 09:18:09 AM »


I'm glad those kind of questions are asked and its not the usual chit chat.

Its now over 30 years that I've been converted and God has been my strength and a genuine transformation has taken place. When originally my family thought it was a phase.
As you said  @John the consistency should speak to them.
I prayed for my Dad over something a few years ago and my Dad said he was touched by it and that he could see God was real to me. The prayer was answered as well and I pinpointed that but my Dad remains to be searching the truth.





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Re: Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2017, 07:19:15 AM »
If your Dad is a reader there are books from authurs like Lee strobel or his autobiographical film thats coming out, about his investigation into Christianity.

Coldcasechristianity has a book by the same title, both show intelligent men searching/investigating Christianity.

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Re: Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 08:37:39 AM »
A mainstream, american paper reviews Le Stobals film.

mainstream-conservative-new-site-reviews-the-case-for-christ-movie

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Re: Do we need earthly attributes, in sowing seeds?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 02:23:42 PM »
Thank you @John for your reply. My Dad is not a reader but watches special programmes   on television.

I made a photo album for my Mum and Dad, with my holiday in Israel.
Evidence there but like us all, an inner heart response is needed.

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