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Offline Deborah

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 08:09:49 AM »
Under the new covenant, God promises:
"I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
(Jeremiah 31:34)
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline francis drake

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 01:28:48 PM »
Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
It might help if you quoted the scripture on which this claim is stated.

Like most of the church, you exhibit no understanding of the difference between "forget" and "not remember"!

For God to forget anything would make him of lower mental ability than the average man. If I can remember many of my sins, how can God's mind be blank?

In contrast to "forgetfulness", for God "not to remember", simply means he will not bring that accusation against us.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Deborah

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 02:24:48 PM »

Like most of the church, you exhibit no understanding of the difference between "forget" and "not remember"!

For God to forget anything would make him of lower mental ability than the average man. If I can remember many of my sins, how can God's mind be blank?

In contrast to "forgetfulness", for God "not to remember", simply means he will not bring that accusation against us.

For us, forgetting is a mental failure - a failure to remember. We have no control over our memories; we can forget things that we want to remember and remember things we should much rather forget.

God doesn't have that problem! The difference is - He can choose what to forget. And when our sins are covered by the blood of Christ, He really does forget them.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline francis drake

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 06:18:39 PM »
For us, forgetting is a mental failure - a failure to remember. We have no control over our memories; we can forget things that we want to remember and remember things we should much rather forget.

God doesn't have that problem! The difference is - He can choose what to forget. And when our sins are covered by the blood of Christ, He really does forget them.

Sorry @Deborah, but that's not correct, God never forgets anything ever. That's utterly impossible.
God, who dwells outside of time, always has access to our past, but chooses not to bring it to remembrance, a considerably different concept.
Additionally, if today, I can remember my past sins, how is it possible that God has no access to those present memories?

Not remembering is not the same as forgetting. The meanings are totally different.
Remembering or not remembering in this context is a voluntary action.
Forgetting is an involuntary failure.

I can find no scripture where it declares that God forgets our sin. They all use the verb to remember/not remember.
It simply means that God will not bring up our past sins when we come before him.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Deborah

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 07:46:36 PM »
Sorry @Deborah, but that's not correct, God never forgets anything ever. That's utterly impossible.
Then I must disagree with you. God can forget, by His sovereign choice.

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Not remembering is not the same as forgetting. The meanings are totally different.
That depends. What's the difference between "Remember to feed the cat" and "Don't forget to feed the cat"? None that I can think of.

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God, who dwells outside of time, always has access to our past, but chooses not to bring it to remembrance, a considerably different concept.
Isn't that effectively what I said?

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Remembering or not remembering in this context is a voluntary action.
Forgetting is an involuntary failure.
So we would agree here. The phrase 'not remember' is used to avoid the connotation of involuntary forgetfulness. But the effect of 'not remembering' is 'forgetting', all the same.

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I can find no scripture where it declares that God forgets our sin.

Try Job 11:6
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

Offline francis drake

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 07:53:50 AM »

Try Job 11:6

Thank you for proving my point  @Deborah.
The words forget, forgotten, forgetting etc. are found exactly nowhere in the Hebrew original of that verse
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Deborah

Re: Does God really forgive and forget or am I still accountable..
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 08:17:58 AM »
Thank you for proving my point  @Deborah.
The words forget, forgotten, forgetting etc. are found exactly nowhere in the Hebrew original of that verse
According to my Hebrew Bible, the word is nashah - which according to my Hebrew dictionary means 'forget'.
"My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness." (II Corinthians 12:9)

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