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Offline Mountain Goat

How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« on: December 14, 2016, 11:29:15 PM »
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Was looking at ages and dates of Biblical events and came across something unique and ever so simple it is amazing!
Adam and Eve were created at 4004 B.C.
Now we live in 2016. The old calender used to have 360 days a year, but today we have 365? days in a year (There was a big event where the way things span around the earth changed many  years ago, so the calendar was changed to make things line up star wise as it was important for sailors).
Now even accounting for the lost three years mistake between the two calenders predicting Christ's birth date (Or are there 33 years as Christ lived on earth for 33 years) we know that Christ will return soon. While we do not know the day or hour, we do know it is soon. Early on the 6th day. That is somewhere early in the first 6000 years. What is early? Well. If you take dates you will assume the latest early would be is 250 years after the year 6000. The earliest part of early is on the 6000th year. I would put 6100th year to be the latest year as a gut feeling, but the event is more likely to be earlier then this date. Any time from now to then I guess).
There are meanings to numbers.
The number 6 is mans number, hence 666 being the mark of the beast etc. Mans ways.
The number 7 relates to Gods ways.
8 is interesting. There is no coincidence if you turn it on its side it looks like this... ∞ which is the symbol that means infinity.
Now after Christ's return will come the 1000 year reign on earth of Jesus Christ.
So let's consider. 6000 years of mans ways.
1000 years of Gods ways.
Then infinity or forever.
Where do we see the same pattern used?
In Genesis.
Six days did God labour to create the earth and on the seventh day He rested.
The seventh day was created for man.
Consider the 1000 year reign to come.
Interesting isn't it?



Offline davetaff

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 02:56:38 PM »
Hi Goaty
Yes it is an interesting post I don't think it's quite right but close you said

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Was looking at ages and dates of Biblical events and came across something unique and ever so simple it is amazing!
Adam and Eve were created at 4004 B.C.   

I believe there was a time before Noah from Adam to the flood how long it was I have no idea and i'm not sure it matters.
After the flood God began a new creation it would follow the pattern of the first, being that everything God created in the first creation was on the ark God had no reason to create these things the only thing missing was man in God's image so God sets about rectifying this with the creation of Israel.
Like you say this creation would take 6000 years or if you like 6 days ( 1000 years for a day ) on the fourth day Christ came into the world and the church was created, in the first creation on the fourth day God created the sun and the moon symbols of Christ and his church most of the symbolism found in scripture comes from the creation account.

You mention the return of Christ early on the 6th day I believe this to be right because in Christ's earthly life he rose from the grave on the 3rd day and likewise in the spiritual time frame 1000 years for a day he will rise return 3 days after he was taken up which is day 6 of this creation.
What we need to remember is that the Jewish day started at sundown and as we know when the women came to the tomb early in the morning Christ  had already risen in the dark part of the day.
So I believe you are right in saying he will rise early on day 6 but maybe we will not see him for a time.

Maybe he will use that time to prepare everything for his glorious return when every eye will see and every knee will bow.

Love and Peace
Dave     
       
   

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 08:16:53 PM »
I used to be confused and try to fit millions of years into Genesis until I found out one day that carbon dating is not at all accurate when it comes to dating pre flood days and at times pretty far out when dating some modern things.
What first had me puzzled is about when I heard a 6 week old snail was dated at 6 million years old.

It was only then I suddenly realized that either the Bible was a complete lie or scientists have made a huge error, and I knew then and there that the Bible is true verse by verse, word by word. It was a complete revelation to me and it cleared up many issues in my mind.

Offline francis drake

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 12:28:21 AM »
I used to be confused and try to fit millions of years into Genesis until I found out one day that carbon dating is not at all accurate when it comes to dating pre flood days and at times pretty far out when dating some modern things.
What first had me puzzled is about when I heard a 6 week old snail was dated at 6 million years old.

It was only then I suddenly realized that either the Bible was a complete lie or scientists have made a huge error, and I knew then and there that the Bible is true verse by verse, word by word. It was a complete revelation to me and it cleared up many issues in my mind.

They have found wooden implements, ie. iron pick complete with its wooden shaft, embedded within fossils. Showing that fossils do not precede the arrival of mankind.
They have found man made implements such as goblets embedded in coal strata. Proving that coalfields were laid down whilst civilised men were making relatively modern articles. ie. not millions of years in prehistory.
They have found trees running through multiple strata of coal beds, indicating that the vegetation sediment was laid down in one go whilst that tree was still solidly upright. Hardly possible if it takes millions of years for coal to form.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline davetaff

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 11:45:21 AM »
I used to be confused and try to fit millions of years into Genesis until I found out one day that carbon dating is not at all accurate when it comes to dating pre flood days and at times pretty far out when dating some modern things.
What first had me puzzled is about when I heard a 6 week old snail was dated at 6 million years old.

It was only then I suddenly realized that either the Bible was a complete lie or scientists have made a huge error, and I knew then and there that the Bible is true verse by verse, word by word. It was a complete revelation to me and it cleared up many issues in my mind.

Hi Goaty
Thanks for your reply I'm not trying to prove one way or another how old the earth is I believe it's a waste of time.
Like you I believe the word of God is the truth and if he Say's he created everything then that's what happened..
After trawling through innumerable internet pages for and against I came to the conclusion that that nobody could prove one way or the other so I asked myself two questions.

1 did everything we see create itself out of dead matter all by it's self with no outside help.

2 did someone create everything for want of a better word we shall call him God.

After much thought I came to the conclusion the only logical answer is  number 2 why you may ask because the amount of miracles required for question 1 are so astronomical they have to be deemed impossible.
So the only contender for creation is the God of the Bible as far as I know he is the only one who has said he did it.
How long did it take for him to do it I don't have a clue and it's of no interest to me all I know is God did it through Jesus Christ this I believe.
I also believe the creation story is a work in progress and will be completed art the end of Christ's millennial reign.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 03:04:42 PM »
The only reason I wrote the above is to show that the Bible is true. It is not scripture where one reads it and then makes a comment like "What it actually means is...." or "Back in those days "Primitive man" didn't have concept of time like we do" etc (We've all heard such false teaching in the past).
Even the most intelligent person has made extremely silly conclusions about things we know to can't possibly have happened the way they have said.
For example. One group of scientists make a barrel of crude oil from household waste in less then an hour, and another group saying it is impossible to do so and refuse to go and see the actual product the first scientists have made. Now if the second scientists are really adamant it is impossible to do, don't you think that if they didn't at least enquire how the first scientists did it and gave it a go themselves, that their claims that it is impossible would be regarded as a joke? Yet time and time again this scenario is happening in the scientific community. Rather then standing impartial and going to see the evidence and doing their own research on the item in question, they just sit back and cling to what they were taught without questioning if what they already know is true.
Now we see the difference between science as a religion and science as a method of discovering truth. The scientists aiming to discover truth about any subject they are working on have to abandon all pre-conceived ideas and assume they know nothing before they start to work on how the item being researched reacts or came about etc.
The science as a religion has its rules which if anything breaks these rules they state the reaction or even the item is flawed in some way! (Even though they've just witnessed the results of what their eyes have seen!)

Now where does this tie in with the Bible? Well. Consider evolution. What evidence exists to prove evolution takes place? The Bible is known as the Word of the almighty God. The Bible claims God created everything in six days. Let us examine which one is true. Evolution which has no actual evidence we can see happening today, or a creation where sin entered, and since sin entered we expect to see death, as the wages of sin are death. What did Darwin prove? Extinction. What would we expect? Death.
Now we come to the six days of creation. Evolution is based on millions of years of gradual change. What evidence do we see. None as yet as in each case we later find errors in the evidence, like a miss placed skull, or a tribe who's skulls look different because they used to bandage their heads or they had a disease etc.
Now six days. Some Christians put these days as a thousand years for each, but if so this theory would not work. Why? Because most plants and trees rely on insects to fertilise them, and a few need man to cultivate them. Even if we just consider insects we have a problem as on the third day God made the plants. Well. It was on the fourth day God created the sun and moon and the stars. (Light he created on the first day). Now insects and creatures God made on the fifth day.
Do you see it? If there was a thousand years of gap, how could the warmth of the sun shine on the plants? How could the plants last 1000 years with no sun? How could the plants and trees last 2000 years with no pollination to multiply their species?
You get it now?
Either the Bible is true in what it says or it is a lie. If some of it is true and some is not (Which to be honest, after going through schooling in the UK, is how I used to perceive the Bible) then it is not the Word of God, as God is true and does not lie.
Then it has to be our education system that is hell bent on teaching evolution. (Take God out of the education system and one will be teaching other ideas and concepts which don't align to Gods Word).

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 03:17:43 PM »
I do agree it is all about Jesus. :)

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: How nothing is by chance, but by design.
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 09:20:18 PM »
Sorry Davetaff. Hope it didn't come actress in a negative way.

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