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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2017, 04:09:38 PM »
Hi Chris
Its ok with me I just did not want to Bog your thread down the reason I believe Paul is speaking about Israel is if he is speaking about all mankind then I think its very unjust of God to judge people on the basis of only creation and nothing else.

In the last verse of romans 1 paul says

Rom 1:32  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

The only ones who knew the judgement of God was Israel only they had received the law only they could break the law as Paul says in another place

 Rom 4:15  Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression

Only Israel had the law only Israel could break the law If all the things listed by Paul before where also applicable to all the gentiles how could God judge them if they did not know the law.

You mention the time before the flood and those who lived and preached at that time what we don't find is that a law was given before the flood we do know that sin was in the world because Adam sinned.
Adam and eve's sin was disobedience and sin entered the world and increased until it got completely out of control then God stepped in and wiped the slate clean with the flood.
Then God made a new start or as I believe a new creation and from Noah to moses there was no law so no transgression only Israel had the Knowledge of God only Israel had the Law only Israel could be judged by the law

If this is not true the God is unjust and that's  unthinkable.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #65 on: April 06, 2017, 05:07:48 PM »
Hi Dave

I am so glad that you have brought out these further thoughts on this subject.

I will not address these points now, for I think that the problem will be solved as we proceed on through Romans, especially through the chapter we are now coming into, (Romans 2). Read down through the chapter and you will see what I mean: ideally reading on to 3::9.

Hoping you have been enjoying the Spring sunshine, Dave.

In Christ Jesus
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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2017, 02:35:36 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I will wait for your thoughts on the next section.
Yes the weather has bean great has it not I think spring is such a wonderful time of year watching Gods creation burst into life wonderful how people can say everything made itself is beyond me.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2017, 01:48:34 PM »
Hello there,

It seems strange to me, that having seen the destruction of Babylon in our study on Revelation 17 and 18, this study in Romans chapter one should take us back again to Babylon, to it's inception, with the building of the city and the tower, afterwards named Babel.
I must ask for your patience as I linger and look at the view here, before walking on through chapter 2.  :D 

As we know Satan opposes the will of God at every stage, and here we see yet again an attempt to prevent God's will being done.  With the building of Babel and the people who would inhabit it, he started a religious system headed by Nimrod, the mighty hero and hunter, a descendant of Ham; and it is not without significance that the first mention of a Kingdom in the Bible is that of Nimrod (Gen. 10:10).  Here was Satan's answer to the kingdom of God.  The great Satanic system of false religion and worship began at this point, sometimes dipping underground as in the heathen mysteries with their darkness and immorality, but finally coming out into the open at the end of this age in 'Babylon the great' described in Revelation 17 and 18 as the 'Mother (source ) of harlots and abominations of the earth' (Rev. 17:5)

All the ancient religions were derived from Babel, in which we can see truth that has been utterly distorted by the great deceiver.  The key figures were Nimrod and his wife Semiramis, who, when deified, became the central figures in the various religions of the pagan world.  All have the travesty of the 'mother and son' in one form or another, whether it was:-
 
Egypt (Isis and Osiris),
India (Isi and Iswara),
Asia (Cybete and Deoius),
Greece (Ceres, mother and babe),
Rome (Fortuna and Jupiter), and
China (Shing Moo, with her child in her arms). 

Papal Rome has the Madonna and Child, not realising what she is perpetuating.  Greek and Roman mythology spread the darkness still further with its heroes and gods under various names derived originally from Nimrod and Semiramis.  The whole was the Satanic travesty of the Seed of the Woman in Genesis 1. 

Nor are we free from its deadly effects today, for it has entered Christendom in all sorts of ways, eg., hot cross buns and Easter eggs are primarily pagan in origin, originating from the heathen rites of Babylon ('The Two Babylons' by Alexander Hislop).  In Jeremiah 7:18 we have apostate Israelites offering cakes in worship to the 'queen of heaven', probably the fertility goddess Ishtar who was identified with Venus, another form of Semiramis (see also Jeremiah 44:17,19).  We can well understand why Jehovah separated Israel from the nations around who were steeped in idolatry and immorality.  When Israel got involved with the surrounding paganism, the inevitable happened and the nation became contaminated with these things, thus playing into the hands of Satan, and in this way working diametrically against God's kingdom purposes.

The activities of the evil one are extended further in the false unity that was engineered at Babel and recorded in Genesis 11.  Verse one tells us that 'the whole earth was of one language and of one speech.' The building of the city and tower was with the object 'lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth' (v. 4).  Unity was essential if Satan was going to get control of the human race and dominate to the ends of the earth and this was foreseen by the Lord (Gen.11:6):

'And the LORD said, "Behold, the people is one,
and they have all one language;
and this they begin to do:
and now nothing will be restrained from them,
which they have imagined to do.'

(Gen 11:6) 

To foil the enemy, there was no need to destroy the race as before.  All God needed to do to break this false unity was to confound their speech so that they could not understand one another.  Language can be the greatest of barriers between people and this is what resulted from the Lord's action:

'So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence
upon the face of all the earth:
and they left off to build the city.'

( Gen 11:8 )

It is interesting to remember that much later on, during the period covered by the Acts of the Apostles, God did the opposite and removed the hindrance of fareign language by the miraclulous gift of tongues (Acts 2:7-12) thus speeding up the spreading of the gospel over the civilised earth.

Those who can discern 'the signs of the times' (Matt.16:1-3) must see the fact that, in a similar way today, the world is being formed into one great unity or federation and the condition of Babel is being repeated.  The many mergers that we see happening can only lead to this.  The great money power that, behind the scenes, is running the present world system, is largely operated by those with great influence who may be described as 'one-worlders', that is, they  are aiming at nothing less than a world federation which means the lowering of the nations of the west and the lifting up of the 'third world'.  Much that is happening today which is puzzling, begins to make sense once this is perceived.  Satan is attempting to do once again what he did with the nations at Babel to unite them so that, at the right moment, his representative, the Antichrist, can be brought upon the scene and take control of the whole earth.

With mobile phones and the internet, communication has never been easier. The world appears to have grown smaller and everwhere is more accessable, so that the potential for Satan's evil work to be done, greater. Genesis, Romans and Revelation all unite with one witness to the influence of Babylon and it's Satanic origin.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


PS: 
I have been greatly helped by the work of Stuart Allen and his book,
'The Kingdom of God in Heaven and on Earth'.


 

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2017, 04:10:03 PM »
Hi Chris
Interesting post lots of good stuff that I can agree with I have thought for some time that the world is heading to a one world government ruled by money and evil.
But then its a re enactment of what happened in the days Noah evil had reached its limit and its the same now evil is increasing at an alarming rate but looking on the bright side God has set a limit when he will step in and take control.

So let us take comfort in that everything is going as God has prophesied and we know that he will fulfil all his promises.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2017, 05:35:47 PM »
Yes, Dave, (@davetaff).
God's will, will be done,

Praise God!

'Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
whosoever thou art that judgest:
for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself;
for thou that judgest doest the same things.'

(Rom 2:1)

* Looking now to Romans 1:20 and 2:1, and the use of the words, ''without excuse,' and, 'inexcusable'; they echo the fact of the inexcusability of the Gentiles (nations): and what comes between these two verses are the reasons why the Gentiles are without excuse. 

* Yet, straight away in Rom.2:1, the ground is taken away, also, from the self-righteous who would point the finger and, 'ooh!' and, 'aah!' over those who have come into condemnation. Those such as ourselves, who read this written accusation, and hold ourselves aloof from those so judged. For we, outside of Christ, would  come under the same condemnation (Eph.2:1-7) for we are equally guilty as charged.

Praise God! That we who have been saved by God's wondrous grace, will not come into condemnation, not because we are not worthy of it, as they: but because we are covered by the righteousness of God, in Christ Jesus (Rom. 8:1).

* Having seen the judgement of God against the Gentiles (nations) in Romans 1:18:32: in Romans 2:1-3:8 both Jew and Gentile are the subjects; and in Rom.3:10-18 we read of the judgement of God against the Jews themselves, 'those who are under the law' (Rom.3:19).  Thereby bringing us to the great conclusion: '... all the world guilty before God'. (Rom.3:10)

* As soon as we pass that point, the theme of Romans 1:17 is resumed: and the glorious words of Romans 3:22, reveals more concerning the righteousness of God, revealed in Rom.1:17:

' ... Even the righteousness of God
which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference:
For all have sinned,
and come short of the glory of God; ... '

Rom.3:22,23)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2017, 06:12:55 PM »
Hello again,

What stands out to me in the early verses of Romans chapter two, are the statements concerning God Himself, in both Romans 2:2 and 2:4:-

'Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
whosoever thou art that judgest:
for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself;
for thou that judgest doest the same things.
But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth
against them which commit such things.'

And thinkest thou this, O man,
that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same,
that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Or despisest thou the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
'


* The two verses highlighted above, tell us that the judgement of God is according to Truth against those who commit such things and not influenced by either appearance or privilage. It tells us also of the riches of God's goodness, forbearance and longsuffering, and that the goodness of God leads mankind to repentance.

Praise God!

* We must keep before our minds the reason for the teaching of Romans 2, which can be found in Romans 3:9&19:-

'What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise:
for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles,
that they are all under sin
;
...'
(Rom.3:9)

'Now we know that what things soever the law saith,
it saith to them who are under the law:
that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God.
'

(Rom 3:19)

* This needs no explanation does it? It needs only to be believed, and remembered, as we consider what is said in chapter 2.

In Christ Jesus
Carias

 









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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2017, 06:47:32 PM »
Hello yet again,

I am eager to continue with this chapter, in the hope that it will bring light upon some of the questions raised.

'But after thy hardness and impenitent heart
treasurest up unto thyself wrath
against the day of wrath
and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Who will render to every man according to his deeds: ... '

(Rom.2:5,6)

* In this Judgement in 'The day of wrath', God will render to every man (outside of Christ) according to his deeds. These are not covered by the righteousness of God, they have not received of His saving grace.  They will be judged according to their deeds.

'To them who by patient continuance in well doing
seek for glory and honour and immortality,
eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious,
and do not obey the truth,
but obey unrighteousness,
indignation and wrath:

Tribulation and anguish,
upon every soul of man that doeth evil,
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace,
to every man that worketh good,
to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God. '

(Rom 2:5-11)

* This is justice, pure and simple.  God is indeed no respecter of persons

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad