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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2017, 06:59:39 PM »
Hi Chris
my comments on the following are

16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

its the gospel that's the power of God what dose that mean the word of God the sword coming from the mouth of our lord is it through this power he will overcome the world and satan.


 17  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

those justified by faith. faith means trust in all adversity we trust in the lord to see us through

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2017, 10:09:23 PM »
Thanks Dave

'the just shall live by faith',

You have interpreted it as applying to this present life, it seems. To living by faith, yes?  Yet the reference back to Habakkuk, must require that we use that as our guide to interpreting this, don't you think? If that is so then life eternal would appear to be what is being referred to here in Romans 1:17.

Faith in the efficacy of Christ's all sufficient sacrifice, and God's faithfulness to keep all His promises related to it, including the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ His Son, now risen and glorified.

Praise God!

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2017, 10:12:59 AM »
Hello there, Dave, (@davetaff)

Before moving on from Romans 1:17, and the words,'the just shall live by faith', in the light of the differing thoughts we have expressed concerning it: I think it would be beneficial if we looked at the other two references (Galatians 3:11 & Hebrews10:38 ) where these words from Habakkuk are quoted, to see where the emphasis is put in each case.  For we could find that each of our differing thoughts regarding it will find it's place within the context of one of them, if not in each, according to the emphasis placed upon it.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2017, 04:07:18 PM »
Hello there, Dave, (@davetaff)

Before moving on from Romans 1:17, and the words,'the just shall live by faith', in the light of the differing thoughts we have expressed concerning it: I think it would be beneficial if we looked at the other two references (Galatians 3:11 & Hebrews10:38 ) where these words from Habakkuk are quoted, to see where the emphasis is put in each case.  For we could find that each of our differing thoughts regarding it will find it's place within the context of one of them, if not in each, according to the emphasis placed upon it.

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Hi Chris
Yes that's a good idea I did put my comment in the present tense because its now we need much faith in the world we live in today do you think we will need this faith when we reach our final destination when there is no temptation?
Do you think Love and faith are two sides of the same coin?

Having read through the passage in Hebrews I get the impression Paul is saying no matter what the world dose to you no matter how hard it get's it's faith (love) for God that will win the day.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2017, 04:16:00 PM »
Hi Chris
Yes that's a good idea I did put my comment in the present tense because its now we need much faith in the world we live in today do you think we will need this faith when we reach our final destination when there is no temptation?
Do you think Love and faith are two sides of the same coin?

Having read through the passage in Hebrews I get the impression Paul is saying no matter what the world dose to you no matter how hard it get's it's faith (love) for God that will win the day.

Love and peace
Dave

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Hi there,
 
'But that no man is justified by the law
in the sight of God, it is evident:
for, The just shall live by faith.'

(Gal.3:11)
 
'Now the just shall live by faith:
but if any man draw back,
my soul shall have no pleasure in him.'

(Heb 10:38)
 
'For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.'

(Rom 1:17)

* These three references to Habakkuk 2:4, found in the New Testament stress a different word each time. In Romans the word being emphasised is, 'Just' (or righteous);  In Galatians the important word is, 'Faith' and in Hebrews the stress is on the word, 'Live'.

* The Just, (righteous), shall live in resurrection life through simple trust in the faithfulness of God, in Christ. (Romans)
* The just shall live (in resurrection life) by faith and not by the works of the law, or by any effort on his part. (Galatians)
* The Just shall live by faith, regardless of discouragement and difficulty, in order to go on unto maturity. (Hebrews)

[We were thinking alike regarding the Hebrew reference, Dave :D]

* 'Do I think Love and faith are two sides of the same coin?', the question is, Dave, 'What is the coin?' For the two sides are to be representative of what the 'coin', (subject or object) is, isn't it? If the 'coin' were salvation, then I would immediately think of 'grace' and 'faith', for they lead to salvation. Whereas, Love and faith together make me think of, 'the cross', for it was the Love and faith of Christ which took Him there. Is that what you were thinking of?

Praise God!

Thank you, Dave.
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Cariad

   


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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2017, 06:15:37 PM »
'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth;

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith:
as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.'

(Rom 1:16,17) 

Hello again,

Before we walk on through Romans, having already covered the ground of chapter 1:1-17, and looked into the very heart of the gospel as preached by Paul, concerning faith, justification and righteousness. We now come to quite different terain, in which Paul makes the case against the Gentiles.  This stretches from chapter 1:18-2:1; giving a fearful picture of the failure of the Gentile world, even though they had the revelation of creation as to the eternal power of God, manifested in the heavens and the earth, in the things which He has made; and the indwelling law of conscience as their guide.

How gracious of God, through Paul, to reveal His good news of salvation, which is in Christ Jesus: revealing, as it does, His righteousnes, which is by faith alone: before bringing before our eyes the knowledge of His wrath in verse 18.

'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness;'


In Christ Jesus
Cariad

 

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2017, 02:23:15 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your replies I agree with what you say I don't think we are to far apart.

You said
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* 'Do I think Love and faith are two sides of the same coin?', the question is, Dave, 'What is the coin?' For the two sides are to be representative of what the 'coin', (subject or object) is, isn't it? If the 'coin' were salvation, then I would immediately think of 'grace' and 'faith', for they lead to salvation. Whereas, Love and faith together make me think of, 'the cross', for it was the Love and faith of Christ which took Him there. Is that what you were thinking of?
   
I was not thinking so much of the coin it was more a figure of speech if the coin is salvation as you say then grace is unmerited love and the other side Gods faithfulness which leads to salvation so is the coin God.

then we have Love faith and the cross, Christs love for the Father  and faith in the Father to deliver him which of course he did when he raised him from the dead.
so do those who belong to the body of Christ need to have the same love and faith as Christ had who is our example.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2017, 02:41:13 PM »
'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth;

to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith:
as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.'

(Rom 1:16,17) 

Hello again,

Before we walk on through Romans, having already covered the ground of chapter 1:1-17, and looked into the very heart of the gospel as preached by Paul, concerning faith, justification and righteousness. We now come to quite different terain, in which Paul makes the case against the Gentiles.  This stretches from chapter 1:18-2:1; giving a fearful picture of the failure of the Gentile world, even though they had the revelation of creation as to the eternal power of God, manifested in the heavens and the earth, in the things which He has made; and the indwelling law of conscience as their guide.

How gracious of God, through Paul, to reveal His good news of salvation, which is in Christ Jesus: revealing, as it does, His righteousnes, which is by faith alone: before bringing before our eyes the knowledge of His wrath in verse 18.

'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness;'


In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply Before we move on I would like to look at this verse you have quoted.

Rom 1:18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

may be you can help me out here where is says ( unrighteousness of men ) I would feel much happier if it said man because it goes on to say who hold the truth the only ones who had the truth of course was Israel as you may remember I believe that Israel is Adam of this creation.
It was they who had been given the truth about the beginning of creation.

Love and Peace
Dave