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Cariad

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2017, 12:42:54 PM »
Hi Dave,

Forgive me for having to go back, yet again, as I did with our study on Revelation, because of my absence.  I hope that, as with that study, you will afford me the same longsuffering and patience that you showed to me there.

Thanking you.
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2017, 05:16:26 PM »
Hi Dave,

Forgive me for having to go back, yet again, as I did with our study on Revelation, because of my absence.  I hope that, as with that study, you will afford me the same longsuffering and patience that you showed to me there.

Thanking you.
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

Hi Chris
Jest take your time after all it is your thread and you do a better job than I can.
It is a wonderful letter and contains such a wonderful wealth of information it should not be rushed.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2017, 03:43:45 PM »
'By whom we have received grace and apostleship,
for obedience to the faith among all nations, for His name:'

(Rom 1:5) 

Hello again,

Just a little recap: we have seen that Paul's Apostleship was a gift of grace, (Rom. 1:5).  We are told this also in Rom. 15:15,

'Nevertheless, brethren,
I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort,
as putting you in mind,
because of the grace that is given to me of God,
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles,
ministering the gospel of God,... '

(Rom 15:15,16a)

* The object of his witness was with a view to 'believing (or faith) obedience', that is to bring about the obedience that is based on faith in Christ.  Belief without such obedience is barren and unfruitful. It was to the Gentiles that this gospel of God was directed.  For Paul was called for this purpose, to be the Apostle to those called out from among the nations. Whereas, Peter, James and John were primarily Christ's representatives to  Israel (Gal.2:7-9; Acts 15).

In Christ Jesus
Cariad




 

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2017, 04:53:32 PM »
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.''

(Rom 1:16,17) 

Although I have considered aspects of this verse, I have not considered all that it has to say to us.

Paul is not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, in fact it was quite the contrary, it was his joy to make it known.  Why? - 'because it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;''How? - 'for therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith'. What is, 'the righteousness of God'? and, what does, 'from faith to faith', mean?

* Paul's ministry was one of reconciliation, wasn't it? (2 Cor. 5:17-19) and it was the preaching of the gospel of Christ which accomplished it.  For it shows how man could be made right-with-God, by means of a right-ness (or righteousness) of God's providing, in the person and work of His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ: whose death and resurrection made it possible for man to be made right with God on the principle of faith alone, by simply believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, and the completeness of His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin.

* Believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is not only accepting what He says as being true, but acknowledging Him as our 'Lord' and 'Saviour': which is a recognition of His right to rule as well as deliver us from the power of death and the grave by the resurrection from the dead. 

* Christ is our righteousness (rightness), in Him we are made right with God, on the basis of nothing but faith or complete trust in Him: and ' From faith to faith',  is literally, 'by, or out of faith, unto faith', and expresses the fact that in order to experience personally the eternal benefits of salvation, it is on the basis of faith and truth in Christ from start to finish, apart from any work on behalf of the one who receives it.

Praise God!

Thank you, Lord!
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

PS: I must give time to, 'as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.' , next time, (God-willing).

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2017, 05:23:39 PM »
Hi Chris
Very good posts as usual thank you don't have much time jest now jest one point I believe after the Crucifixion and Israel was rejected for a time I believe the gospel was meant to be preached to everyone Jew and Gentile this is why Peter was given the vision of the sheet with all the animals which represented the gentiles.
Interesting thought if all the gentiles were represented by animals they could not be man in Gods image .

Have to go

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2017, 11:48:15 AM »
Hi Chris
... ... just one point, I believe after the Crucifixion and Israel was rejected for a time I believe the gospel was meant to be preached to everyone Jew and Gentile this is why Peter was given the vision of the sheet with all the animals which represented the gentiles.
Interesting thought if all the gentiles were represented by animals they could not be man in Gods image .

Have to go

Love and Peace
Dave 
Hi Dave (@davetaff)

Yes, the gospel was to be preached to all of mankind, regardless of race or creed, but Paul's particular calling was to the nations, and not Israel (Acts 15), wasn't it, Dave? 

* A distinction is made between Israel as a nation, and the other nations of the world, because Israel was created and set apart for God's purpose, (they are not to be counted among the nations). Though still in a Lo-ammi state at present, ('not my people') (Hosea 1:9), that is not a permanent condition (Jer.31:33).

'And he (Peter) said unto them,
Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing
for a man that is a Jew to keep company,
or come unto one of another nation;

but God hath shewed me
that I should not call any man common or unclean.'

(Act 10:28) 

* The vision of Acts 10 was for the purpose of taking from Peter the restraint that the law had imposed upon Him, as an obedient Jew in regard to defilement and being ceremonially clean (Acts 11:1-3; Leviticus 11-15; 18-20).  He was being released in order to open up the door of the Kingdom to the Gentiles (Acts 10:15; 15:14-17): with the intent that the nation of Israel would be made jealous (Rom.11:11). 

* The animals within the sheet did not represent gentiles as such, but what was clean or unclean in relation to the law: it was intended to illustrate that God was no respecter of persons: and that what He cleansed was not to be considered unclean (Acts 10:34). 

* Regarding the fact that man was made in the image of God: it is an indisputable Biblical fact, isn't it? (Gen. 1:27) and all of mankind has the same origin.  There is no difference, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2017, 02:12:11 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I don't have anything to add or dispute and I seam to have diverted the thread sorry about that its so easy to do so lets return to Paul's letter to the Romans I'll take my lead from you you wished to look at.

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'as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.   

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* Regarding the fact that man was made in the image of God: it is an indisputable Biblical fact, isn't it? (Gen. 1:27) and all of mankind has the same origin.  There is no difference, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
   

maybe we can discuss this as a separate issue some time maybe on the Genesis thread I think it's important to understand  who man in Gods image is.

Love and Peace
Dave



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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2017, 04:21:29 PM »
'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, 'The just shall live by faith.'

(Rom 1:16,17) 

Hello again,

'The just shall live by faith', as you probably know, is a reference to Habakkuk 2:4,

'Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:
but the just shall live by his faith'


* This comes within God's response to a prayer of Habakkuk (1:12-2:1), the response covers verses 2-20 of Habakkuk.  The  Lord tells Habakkuk to write down the vision which He was about to reveal to him: and v.4 concerns both the fate of the wicked in the coming judgment,  and the preservation and eternal lot of the righteous; for the words, 'Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:' concerns the lawless one of chapter 1:11: whereas, the words, 'but the just shall live by his faith,' refer to the lot of the righteous; 'the just' (or 'righteous ones'), 'shall live' (ie., live for ever in resurrection life), 'by his faith'. The emphasis being on either 'perishing' or 'everlasting life'

* In regard to the interpretation of the words, 'shall live', as, 'live for ever in resurrection life,' please consider Leviticus 18:4,5, which relates to the keeping of the law:-

'Ye shall do My judgments,
and keep Mine ordinances,
to walk therein:
I am the Lord your God. 
Ye shall therefore keep
.. My statutes, and
.... My judgments:
which if a man do,
he shall live in them:
I am the Lord.'


* Here again the words, 'live in them', are to be interpreted as to (ie., 'live again' - in resurrection life - [Rev. 29:5]).

* Both verses are to be interpreted in the light of life eternal: * the one a life lived according to law (Lev.18:4,5);* the other a life lived by faith (Hab. 2:4).

* Habakkuk 2:4b is quoted in Rom.1:17; Gal. 3:11 and Heb. 10:38, with a different emphasis in each one, which is interesting in itself.

* Habakkuk's faith rested upon the faithfulness of God, in the face of scoffers who said, 'Where is the promise?'(Hab.1:10: 2 Pet 3:2-16)  During this time of trial (Hab.1:1-4), the vision awaited God's appointed time.  Habakkuk learned, and manifested practically that, 'the just by faith shall live.'

* The life lived by faith is one that reckons on the faithfulness of God, in Christ. 

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad