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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #128 on: January 17, 2018, 11:49:40 AM »
* I said that the believer will not come into judgment (or condemnation), and that is true (Rom. 8:1). Yet we will all stand before Christ and give an account regarding our walk (Rom.14:10,11), and receive reward or suffer loss as appropriate: but we will not come into condemnation, or lose the gift of life promised to us in Christ Jesus.

* The great white throne judgement, of Revelation 20:12, that you quote, is not for the believer, for He has passed from death to life, in Christ Jesus.

I'm afraid I do not understand the last paragraph.

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Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply to which I agree of course you are right judgement dose not always mean condemnation dose it.

I realised this this morning when I woke up and I realised what a fool I had bean not seeing it before.

As for my last paragraph the point I was trying to make was.

Those who God judges worthy who have not heard the gospel how will they be able to love God who they don't know.

I believe God wants us to love him from the heart of our own freewill.

So those who God judges as worthy and have not heard the gospel  must have an opportunity to come to know him and to love him and make a choice to accept or reject him.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #129 on: January 17, 2018, 08:43:01 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply to which I agree of course you are right judgement dose not always mean condemnation dose it.

I realised this this morning when I woke up and I realised what a fool I had bean not seeing it before.

As for my last paragraph the point I was trying to make was.

Those who God judges worthy who have not heard the gospel how will they be able to love God who they don't know.

I believe God wants us to love him from the heart of our own freewill.

So those who God judges as worthy and have not heard the gospel  must have an opportunity to come to know him and to love him and make a choice to accept or reject him.

Love and peace
Dave

Hello Dave,

You are not a 'fool', for the fool says in his heart that there is no God (Psa.14:1), and that is not something you are guilty of.  :)

Regarding those who are granted life in Romans 2, when God judges the secrets of men's hearts, by Christ Jesus.   I accept what is written there, and leave the detail with God, Who knows all things.  For I surely do not! If there is more written concerning this that I am not yet conversant with, and God wishes me to know it, then He will reveal it to me in His time. 

Praise His Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #130 on: January 18, 2018, 02:05:00 PM »
Hello Dave,

You are not a 'fool', for the fool says in his heart that there is no God (Psa.14:1), and that is not something you are guilty of.  :)

Regarding those who are granted life in Romans 2, when God judges the secrets of men's hearts, by Christ Jesus.   I accept what is written there, and leave the detail with God, Who knows all things.  For I surely do not! If there is more written concerning this that I am not yet conversant with, and God wishes me to know it, then He will reveal it to me in His time. 

Praise His Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Hi Chris
Ok fair enough lets move on Its your thread so I wait for you to kick us of

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #131 on: July 30, 2020, 03:30:25 PM »
'Is He the God of the Jews only?
is He not also of the Gentiles?
Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God,
which shall justify the circumcision by faith,
and uncircumcision through faith.
Do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'

(Rom 3:29-31)

Hello there,

Looking back over this thread, I see that the last 'step' taken through Romans ended with verse 28, (on P.14:- reply#105), which was discussed over the next few pages.  So I would like to pick up and continue  with the verses quoted above: but should just summarise for moving on.

Reading the epistle written to the Galatians and this to the Romans, the strong desire of the flesh to find something to glory in is made clear: something to boast about; some little thing to do or to endure to make salvation secure and justification complete.  Paul has, in the opening chapters of Romans stripped human nature of its 'filthy rags' (Isaiah 64:6) of self-righteousness.  Both Jew and Gentile have had their mouths stopped, and have been shown to be guilty before God: and redemption by the blood of Christ, and free unmerited grace, has been revealed as the only ground of acceptance with God.  Boasting, law and works have all been excluded, and concluded in Romans 3:28:-

'Therefore we conclude
that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.'

(Rom 3:28) 

Thank you
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Chris

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #132 on: July 30, 2020, 04:00:24 PM »
'Is He the God of the Jews only?
is He not also of the Gentiles?
Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God,
which shall justify the circumcision by faith,
and uncircumcision through faith.
Do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'

(Rom 3:29-31)

Now we can carry on.  The first two question, 'Is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also of the Gentiles? are answered simply but resoundingly with the words, 'Yes, of the Gentiles also:'. Then Paul expands on that by saying,  ''Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith'.  Many people, like myself, are caused to ponder the use of the words, 'by' and 'through' here, and various reasons for their use has been given.  Why are the circumcision spoken of as being justified 'by' faith, and the uncircumcision 'through' faith?  Possibly the intention of Paul was to direct the Jew away from his works, and his rites, to the one great source of his justification,' out of faith'; while the Gentile, who had no background of law and tradition, was directed to 'the faith' as the means of his justification, through the self- same faith as that of the Jew (Acts 15:7-11).   

Then Paul says:- 'Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'.  Whether we look upon 'the law' as the whole teaching of the Old Testament; or of the covenant made by God, with Israel through Moses at Sinai; or limit it to the rite of circumcision; it is sure that the types, shadows, and living examples set forth in the law, pointed forward to the work of the Lord Jesus as the one and only way of escape and acceptance.  All was fulfilled in Him.

Praise God!

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Chris

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #133 on: August 04, 2020, 03:09:40 PM »
What shall we say then that Abraham our father,
.. as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
.... For if Abraham were justified by works,
...... he hath whereof to glory;
........ but not before God.
.......... For what saith the scripture?
............ Abraham believed God,
.............. and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
.. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly,
.... his faith is counted for righteousness.'

(Romans 4:1)

Hello there,

Here Paul uses the example of Abraham: in regard to righteousness (ie., justification) being by grace and not by works.   We are told that Abraham had somewhat to glory in before men, but not before God.  For God's measure is not one of deed's done, but of belief in what He has said concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ in the good news of salvation.  If it were a matter of works, then righteousness would become a matter of reward, and of a debt paid for works done, and not of grace.  But praise God, He is able to justify the ungodly, by grace, through faith in the all sufficient sacrifice of Christ.

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Chris

   

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #134 on: August 05, 2020, 12:18:05 PM »
What shall we say then that Abraham our father,
.. as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
.... For if Abraham were justified by works,
...... he hath whereof to glory;
........ but not before God.
.......... For what saith the scripture?
............ Abraham believed God,
.............. and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
.. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly,
.... his faith is counted for righteousness.'

(Romans 4:1)

Hello there,

At Genesis 15, Abram had come to the end of himself, as we see in his word, 'I go childless' (Genesis 15:2) .  Abraham is told by God, that in spite of apparent impossibility he should nevertheless have a son:- 'He that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir' (v.4).  Abraham was then told to look toward heaven, and see whether he was able to number the stars; which command was followed by the promise: 'So shall thy seed be' (v.5).  Then comes the statement, 'And he believed in the Lord, and He counted it to him for righteousness' (v.6)

* The one great point is the fact that, although Abraham and Sarah were, 'dead' as far as the natural expectation of parenthood was concerned, nevertheless Abraham 'staggered not at the promise through unbelief'.  What God said Abraham believed, and it revealed the fact that the God Whose Word he trusted was to him the 'God Who quickeneth the dead' (Romans 4:17).

'Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed,
if we believe on Him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.'

(Rom 4:23-25) 

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2020, 02:45:54 PM »
What shall we say then that Abraham our father,
.. as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
.... For if Abraham were justified by works,
...... he hath whereof to glory;
........ but not before God.
.......... For what saith the scripture?
............ Abraham believed God,
.............. and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
.. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly,
.... his faith is counted for righteousness.'

(Romans 4:1)

Hello again,

Before leaving these verses there are two more verses which I feel we should consider in regard to Abraham.  Abraham's actions proved that he had faith in God, even before Genesis 15, where it is said that Abraham believed in the Lord, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.  In Hebrews 11:8 we are told that:-

'By faith Abraham, when he was called
to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance,
obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.'


* Following Genesis 15, in chapter 22, we see Abraham's faith in the God who quickens the dead demonstrated, in his willingness to obey God even to the point of slaying his only son, Isaac. For which God told him, 'And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed My voice.' (Gen 22:18) . Abraham believed that though he slay Isaac, God would restore Isaac to him: which figuratively He did.
 
*  In Galatians 3:6, Paul brings Genesis 15 and 12 together, and says in verse 8:-

'And the scripture,
foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham,
saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. '

(Gal 3:8 )

* Justification by faith, is therefore involved at the very outset of God's promises to Abraham, and in Abraham's faith in God. 

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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