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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2017, 05:40:17 PM »
Dave,
           "the question I have is did he have free will could he have refused to do what was set before him was he truly a man of flesh and blood like me."

Jesus, the Son of God became human. He was fully human, in that he got tired, hungry, thirsty and needed companionship. But because he was also God he was without sin. This did not stop him from being tempted by the devil nor from feeling the effects of temptation.
He willingly submitted himself to his Fathers will in order that he might save us.

You need to reread Romans 5.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #113 on: September 20, 2017, 09:30:26 AM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for another good post sorry I'm so long in replying sometimes there's so much going on it's hard to keep up.

You said.
I understand what you are saying He was tried and tested and was without sin but would the same thing apply by keeping the law after all the law was good if the Israelites had complied with the law everything would have gone well for them.

Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
   


What the law tells us is how we should treat others and the only way we can comply with the law is through love and Christ fulfilled the law to the letter by loving us unto the death on the cross.

Love and Peace
Dave
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Hello there,

Thank you both for your input into this study on Romans. I apologise for my absence from it.

What you say concerning love being a vital ingredient, Dave, is very true, and is what is emphasised in the verses you quote. However it is law keeping as a means of rightiousness, before God, which is at issue in Romans, Isn't it, Dave?  By the keeping of the law is no man justified before God.  Only by being clothed in the righteousness which only God can give can we stand before Him, as, 'holy and without blame': the result of the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ our Saviour. For without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin.

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Cariad




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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #114 on: September 20, 2017, 10:00:53 AM »
'...but now -
the righteousness of God
.. without the law
.... is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.. even the righteousness of God
.... which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe: ... '

(Romans 3:22a)

* There can be no arguing with that statement , can there?  I do so love  God's - but now's.

* By these words in chapter 3, Paul is taking away any claim by the Jew that they had a different standing before God than other men in regard to sin, for as verses 22b & 23 go on to say,

' ... For there is no difference:
for all have sinned
and come short of the glory of God'


* Though Israel had the privileges associated with being the nation God had chosen and blessed (Deut.7:6; Rom.9:4); in regard to sin there was no difference, all of mankind need the righteousness of God, which is by faith of Jesus Christ.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus.
Cariad


Note: 'But Now'-
Acts 17:30; Rom 6:22; Rom.7:6;
Eph.2:13; Eph.5:8; Col.1:26  - and more! :)

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #115 on: December 23, 2017, 12:29:49 AM »
'... for there is no difference.'
(Romans 2:22b)

* In regard to the sinner: the need for the righteousness of God, and justification by faith is common to all.

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; ... ' (Romans 3:23)

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Chris

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #116 on: January 08, 2018, 11:50:37 AM »
'... for there is no difference.'
(Romans 2:22b)

* In regard to the sinner: the need for the righteousness of God, and justification by faith is common to all.

"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; ... ' (Romans 3:23)

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Chris

Hi Chris
Jest thinking about all have sinned what is sin is it breaking the law if so then only Israel had the law and only they could break the law.

. 13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.       

So how did God view all those who did not have the law after Israel received the law was sin imputed to them.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #117 on: January 08, 2018, 02:25:35 PM »
Dave,
 You need to stop pulling verses out of the bible and to read the whole chapter.
Your questions are planly answered in Roman 2+3.
Try r2 v 14-16 about those without the law obeying the law.
or romans3 v 9 to the end about no one being rightous and rightousness through faith.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #118 on: January 08, 2018, 05:17:24 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply and pointing those verses out.

Rom 2:14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16  In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 Rom 3:9  What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15  Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16  Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17  And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19  Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23  For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
 


What do you think a law unto themselves mean do you think the gentile who are spoken of here are those who have believed in Christ or is it the gentiles of all ages I think the law written on there hearts must mean those who are Christs.

Rom 3:9 to 23  is saying that everyone is a sinner we are all guilty of breaking the law and the only way to be saved is by faith in Jesus Christ  through the forgiveness of sins.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2018, 03:48:17 PM »
Hi Chris
Jest thinking about all have sinned what is sin is it breaking the law if so then only Israel had the law and only they could break the law.

. 13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.       

So how did God view all those who did not have the law after Israel received the law was sin imputed to them.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hello Dave,

Thank you for requiring that this be made clear. :)

The law of sin and death was in operation since the fall of man.  It is this law that all mankind needs to be delivered from.

'There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus
hath made me free from the law of sin and death
.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.'

(Rom 8:1-4) 

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris