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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2017, 02:25:59 PM »
Hi
I don't think Cariad will mind if we continue our walk through Pauls wonderful letter to the Romans the next section I find a little difficult to understand so if anyone has any thought please let us know.

Rom 3:26  To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27  Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 3:29  Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30  Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31  Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.     


What is the deeds of the law is it all the temple rituals and sacrifices were all these done away with when the lamb of God was sacrificed on the cross the ultimat sacrifice for sin.

So we have one God who is the God of all Jew and Gentile but what dose by faith and through faith mean is it two different things.

So we don't make the law void but establish it how do we do that the only thing that comes to mind at the moment is through Love as St Peter tells us.

1Pe 4:8  And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
   


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Dave

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2017, 11:57:14 AM »
'To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.'

(Rom.3:26-28)

* How wonderful this is, isn't it?

* The gift of righteousness is given to us in Christ Jesus, our risen Lord, by God's unmerited favour.  We have done nothing to desearve it, it is done solely on the basis of the sacrificial work of Christ, our Saviour and our Lord. Praise His Holy Name!

* Christ has redeemed us, and has been our propitiation, by atoning for our sins at Calvary.  He has paid the price of our captivity to sin and death, and set us free!

* This was God's great plan of the ages, it was set forth in, 'the mercy-seat,' and was before Him when He passed over the sins of men before Christ actually came to earth.  It's presence in His purpose justified all His ways with sinful men. For without the shedding of blood there could be no remission of sins. Nothing but the fact of Christ's death saves the ungodly from immediate judgement.  All of creation owes all that it enjoys to the sacrifice of Christ, quite apart from faith or knowledge.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #106 on: September 09, 2017, 12:43:08 PM »

1) What is 'the deeds of the law' is it all the temple rituals and sacrifices were all these done away with when the lamb of God was sacrificed on the cross the ultimate sacrifice for sin.

2) So we have one God who is the God of all Jew and Gentile but what dose by faith and through faith mean is it two different things.

3) So we don't make the law void but establish it how do we do that the only thing that comes to mind at the moment is through Love as St Peter tells us. 1Pe 4:8  And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 


Hello Dave, (@davetaff)

You have raised three questions (above), which I will try to answer:-

1. The deeds of the law, refer the law in it's entirety, both ceremonial and moral.

The weakness of the law was in the flesh (Rom. 8:3).  It was not intended to be a means of of either, 'life' or 'righteousness' (Gal. 2:21; Gal. 3:21), but a 'schoolmaster' until the advent of Christ. The dispensation of law, was a dispensation of condemnation and death (2 Cor. 3). 

2. 'from faith to faith':-

'For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ:
for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth;
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.'

(Rom 1:16,17) 

In every usage of the words, 'righteousness of faith', in Romans, it means a righteousness that is of faith, and in contrast with a righteousness of works of law.  So to render it differently in this case would be quite wrong.  It is a righteousness of faith, unto faith.
 
- Faith is a conviction, resting on the faithfulness of God (1 Pet. 1:21; 1 Pet.3:15; 2 Thess. 2:11,12). 
- Faith is a cleaving, by hope and love to the promises of God in Christ Jesus. 
- Faith is a confidence, which controls the walk and manner of life.

* Faith endures, as seeing Him Who is invisible' (Heb. 11:27)

3) Make void or establish the law. This question refers to (Rom 3:31), doesn't it?   :-

'Do we then make void the law through faith?
God forbid:
yea, we establish the law.'


* Here the Apostle Paul responds to a charge made against him, that he made void the law by faith.  What he says is that law and works make faith void, and the promise of none effect (Rom. 4:14).  Faith rests on the promises of God. (see Rom. 4:13; Rom. 4:14, Rom. 4:16 and Rom. 4:21), and not on the works of law: for the operation of the law is contrary to both faith and promise.  Grace alone can make anything sure, and faith is associated with grace.  The law brings instability, for it 'worketh wrath'.  Faith receives the righteousness of God, which is by faith, which in itself 'establishes' the law in heart and life, as the fruit (or out-working) of the righteousness which God in-works by faith.  In other words, it achieves what the law could not.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #107 on: September 09, 2017, 02:36:27 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your replies to my posts very good its great to have you back just one more question while we are on the question of the law.

Rom 10:5  For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.     

I was thinking there was a man who kept the whole law and that man was Jesus Christ and he achieved this by and through love and this is what we are required to do to Love God and Love one another.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #108 on: September 09, 2017, 05:57:48 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your replies to my posts very good its great to have you back just one more question while we are on the question of the law.

Rom 10:5  For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.     

I was thinking there was a man who kept the whole law and that man was Jesus Christ and he achieved this by and through love and this is what we are required to do to Love God and Love one another.

Love and Peace
Dave

'For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law,
That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.'

(Rom 10:5) 

* Here again, Dave, we have the main theme of Romans under discussion, don't we? That is RIGHTEOUSNESS.  In chapter 1, it is at the very heart of the gospel of God in (Rom 1:17):-

'For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.'


*In between these two verses Divine sovereignty has been considered, but with that also comes human responsibility: and Romans 9:30 - 10:21, deals with Israel and righteousness.  As we know Israel failed to attain unto righteousness, for they stumbled at the fact of justification by faith, which like the cross, was an 'offence'.  They failed to attain unto righteousness, 'because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works of law; for they stumbled at that stumbling stone.'  It was a question of pride and ignorance.

'For they being ignorant of God's righteousness,
and going about to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth'

(Rom. 10:3,4)

*  Israel was blind, cleaving to such a quotation as this from Lev.18:4,5: 'For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, that the man that doeth those things shall live by them' (Rom.10:5), but no one ever had fulfilled or ever could fulfil the requirements, for the flesh was weak (Rom.8:3). 

* Paul does not allow the Jew to hide behind the plea that the doctrine of the gospel was too difficult to comprehend either, for in Rom.10:9, he says, 'That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.' There is nothing more straightforward than that, is there?

* Here Paul is speaking to the Jew, and in Rom.10:6-8 uses a type of highly figurative reasoning that they would understand: based on Deut.30:11-14, which illustrated the argument resorted to by them, when they wanted to avoid a subject.  To the Jew knowledge that was too wonderful for his grasp was spoken of as, 'high, I cannot attain to it' (Psa.139:6),  Here Paul has given them in Romans 10:9 the way of salvation in simple terms that cannot be avoided as difficult to understand.

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Cariad



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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #109 on: September 10, 2017, 02:45:55 PM »
Hi Chris
Thanks for your post very informative this verse you quoted has me thinking.

Rom 10:5  For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
   


We know that Christ complied with the whole law and in so doing received eternal life the question I have is did he have free will could he have refused to do what was set before him was he truly a man of flesh and blood like me.

sorry for all the questions but I do value your answers.

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #110 on: September 10, 2017, 03:50:55 PM »
Rom 10:5  For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

We know that Christ complied with the whole law and in so doing received eternal life the question I have is did he have free will could he have refused to do what was set before him was he truly a man of flesh and blood like me.

'Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood,
He also himself likewise took part of the same;
that through death He might destroy Him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.'

(Heb.2:14,15)

Hi Dave,

First of all, the Lord Jesus Christ was sinless, so death had no hold on Him.  He took our sin upon Himself and it's penalty, in order to set us free from it's bondage, and open up the way for us to receive resurrection life, through Him. The keeping of the law had nothing to do with that.

'For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities;
but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.'

(Heb 4:15)

* The Lord Jesus Christ was God as well as man, God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim.3:16), in order to redeem: that was His purpose, and had been since before the overthrow of the world (Heb.10:5) .  The fact that Satan was allowed to try Him, would indicate that He could potentially have chosen to go against God's will for Him, but I am not happy even considering this as a possibility.
 
This is our God, Dave, I would rather worship Him,
In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: A walk through Paul's epistle to the Romans
« Reply #111 on: September 19, 2017, 04:10:47 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for another good post sorry I'm so long in replying sometimes there's so much going on it's hard to keep up.

You said.
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First of all, the Lord Jesus Christ was sinless, so death had no hold on Him.  He took our sin upon Himself and it's penalty, in order to set us free from it's bondage, and open up the way for us to receive resurrection life, through Him. The keeping of the law had nothing to do with that.
     

I understand what you are saying He was tried and tested and was without sin but would the same thing apply by keeping the law after all the law was good if the Israelites had complied with the law everything would have gone well for them.

Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
   


What the law tells us is how we should treat others and the only way we can comply with the law is through love and Christ fulfilled the law to the letter by loving us unto the death on the cross.

Love and Peace
Dave