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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2017, 04:12:45 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your post Like you say a lot of what I say has to be supported in the scriptures and for me it is the basis of it is we need to read the genesis account through different eyes the eyes of an ancient people what it's not is a book of science.

My theory if I may call it that is God began a new creation after the flood not a creation of everything but a creation of Man ( mankind ) in his image which is Israel ( Adam ).
What better way to tell the world about his creation than through the history of Israel and the story of Israel is also the story of the creation of man in Gods image which will be the last Adam which is Christ.

I believe that the term man in god's image consists of the head which is Christ and the Body which is the church and they are only in the image of God when they become one which is still a future event creation is an ongoing process  the last day of this creation is Christs millennial reign which Is the Fathers sabbath rest he can rest because he has given all things over to the son.

I have written this basic outline to kick this thread of much of which I have said before If anyone has any questions please fire away.

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2017, 01:29:11 AM »
... My theory, if I may call it that, is God began a new creation after the flood not a creation of everything but a creation of Man ( mankind )

* What Scriptures have led you to believe this, Dave?

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...  in his image which is Israel ( Adam ).

* What Scriptures have led you to identify Israel with Adam?

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... What better way to tell the world about his creation than through the history of Israel and the story of Israel is also the story of the creation of man in Gods image which will be the last Adam which is Christ.

* What is it about the history of Israel, which leads you to this conclusion?

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... I believe that the term man in god's image consists of the head which is Christ and the Body which is the church and they are only in the image of God when they become one which is still a future event

* What Scriptural basis do you have for this, Dave?

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... creation is an ongoing process  the last day of this creation is Christs millennial reign which Is the Fathers sabbath rest he can rest because he has given all things over to the son.

* Can this be substantiated by Scripture, too?

Sorry to repeat myself, Dave, for the same question comes up each time: do you have written proof that these points are not just a figment of your own imagination?  Are these verifiable facts?

In Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2017, 04:25:00 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply and your questions should keep my two little gray cells working for a bit.

You asked.

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... My theory, if I may call it that, is God began a new creation after the flood not a creation of everything but a creation of Man ( mankind )

* What Scriptures have led you to believe this, Dave?
   

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

If there is a new creation there has to be an old one stands to reason I believe the creation Paul is speaking of here is the creation of Man in Gods image which is Christ the last Adam.
So who was the first Adam I would say it's Israel why because God tells us so.

Exo 4:22  And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

If Israel is God's firstborn then it stands to reason that Israel is the first Adam but Israel is not one man but thousands so how can God call the nation of Israel his son because he means man in Gods image we need to reevaluate what this means.
I don't believe that I a man in any shape or form is in the image of god.

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What better way to tell the world about his creation than through the history of Israel and the story of Israel is also the story of the creation of man in Gods image which will be the last Adam which is Christ.

* What is it about the history of Israel, which leads you to this conclusion?   

There are many parallels from Genesis the creation of Israel and our Lord and his church the one that stands out is Israel had 12 tribes Christ had 12 apostel One of the tribes was rejected and Josephs two sons where grafted in Judas was rejected and 2 others were grafted in It can not be a coincidence.

I have to go now but I will be back to continue

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2017, 06:15:36 PM »
Thank you for your patience, Dave,

I will wait for you to finish before replying

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2017, 04:24:33 PM »
Hi Chris
Moving on let us consider this verse.

Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

First of all who is us if God is one I believe that God the Father is the head his angels his body his helpers man in Gods image will mirror this.
Man became like God  when he received knowledge of good and evil so man has to be Israel because only they received that knowledge when they received the law.
so we need to look at how Israel was Built up to know what man in the image of God will look like.

Moses was Gods mouthpiece moses told Aaron the high priest and Aaron directed the priest hood in there duties when Christ comes in his glory he will fulfil all these offices.

In what respect is Christ like Israel when Israel entered the promised land they had to pass through the jorden I believe this was a type of baptism when our Lord started his ministry he was baptised in the jorden.
In fact I believe Israel had two baptisms one in the red sea and the other in the jorden I think this  may represent being reborn.

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2017, 02:47:54 PM »
Hi Chris
Lets consider this verse

Gen 2:8  And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

If we go in an easterly direction from Egypt we find the land that God promised to Abraham Isaac and Jacob a land flowing with milk and Honey this sounds very much like a paradise to me  of course it was dependent on them keeping God's commandments if they were to be blessed.

Another important verse to keep in mind is.

Isa 46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The beginning is Genesis the end is the amen in reverlations so what God tells us in Genesis coverers the whole cannon of scripture we need to look at Genesis in that light and not just as an ancient story of how God created the world it is that  but it's so much more it also tells us how he will create his crowning glory of creation man in his image which of course is Christ Jesus our lord.
 and through the history of Israel he tells us how he will achieve this.

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Dave   

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2017, 01:34:57 PM »
Thank you for all your responses, Dave. 

I have tried on more than one occasion to reply, but without success.  Not because of any glitch associated with the forum itself, but for other unrelated reasons.

When I am able, I shall apply myself to the various aspects of your replies, and respond in full. (God willing) Though, with all the barriers that have been put in my way, I have wondered whether I am just not intended to so.  :D

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2017, 03:47:44 PM »
Hi Chris
I hope I'm  not the one putting barriers in your way if you would like to rest this thread for a bit that's fine with me we have plenty of other things to be going on with.

Just one other little thin to consider Israel split into two kingdoms the northern and the southern and the church also split Rome and Constantinople always find it interesting finding parallels between the First Adam ( Israel ) and the last Adam ( Jesus ).

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Dave