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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2017, 05:28:36 PM »
Hi
Moving on to the next verse

Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Is man in Gods image both male and female it would seam so from the above and we have this from St Paul

Eph 5:31  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32  This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Is the man referred to here Christ his father and mother Israel his wife the church, they becoming one is still a future event.
Isn't it great we are told these thing's from the beginning.

 Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

When Israel rejected Christ Israel was rejected ( Adam died) the above text then applied to Christ and his church.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hi Dave, (@davetaff)

* A man and wife become one flesh just as the Church becomes One with Christ, being identified with Him, in the sight of God, NOW.
Christ has presented us, 'Holy and Without Blame' before the Father. We are 'Complete' in Christ Jesus, and 'Accepted in the Beloved' now, by God's wondrous grace.  It is a finished work.

Praise God!

* I do not believe that Israel has been, 'rejected', only put in abeyance until a future day, when they will see Him Whom they have pierced and while mourning for Him, they will be brought to repentance.

'And I will pour upon the house of David,
and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
the spirit of grace and of supplications:
and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced,
and they shall mourn for Him,
as one mourneth for his only son,
and shall be in bitterness for Him,
as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.'

(Zec 12:10)   

* For the promises of God are 'without repentance' ( Rom.11:29 ), and they will therefore become Priests unto God and minister to the nations according to His will.

Praise His Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris


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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2017, 05:57:34 PM »
Hi Chris
So nice to have you back.
In the image of God what dose that mean Adam and Eve became one Christ and his Church will become one  so I think it it is Logical to assume that God of a head and a body don't you.

You said
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'... let them have dominion ... ' - I believe the, 'them' referred to is, 'mankind'.  For God's purpose for Adam and Eve is that they should multiply( Gen 1:28 ) 
   
Yes I agree with this but I believe this will only come to pass when Christ sits on his throne as King of Kings and Lord of Lords not forgetting all things will come to pass with the last Adam which is Christ.
in the verses you quoted it said  (and replenish the earth,)  I find this a strange term to use don't you it's like there was mankind before which makes me think we are taking about the time after the flood Gods new creation.

Like I have said before I believe the creation story stretches up to and including Revelations

Isa_46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

the end from the beginning the end being man in Gods image which is Christ.
God will always  be creating until Christ's millennial reign when the father takes his Sabbath rest is this not our goal to enter Gods rest.

I loved your use of Hebrews it's one of my favourite books of the Bible have thought to do a study on it later on but feel we have anough going on at the moment.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2017, 11:59:11 PM »
Hello Dave, (@davetaff)

* You opened your post with a question : 'The image of God' - 'What does that mean?

* The words, 'image' and 'likeness', would seem to mean, 'a representation of', (Adam bore a son with his own 'likeness').   It means an outward resemblance: God took human form in order to redeem. That redemption process began with the 6 days creation and will continue until the goal is reached, and God is 'all in all' - 1Cor.15:28 .

* I also noticed the words, 'and replenish the earth'.  I believe that the 6 days creation in itself was an act of redemption. That between the creation of, 'The Heaven' and, 'The Earth' of Genesis 1, and verse 2, something of a  destructive nature occurred ('a judgment' as in Jer ref. below), for Gen.1:2, tells us, it, ' was' (or 'became') 'without form and void' = 'tohu va bohu'  (see Isaiah 45:18 also - 'tohu' ).

'And the earth was without form, and void; ('tohu va bohu')
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'

(Gen 1:2)
 
'For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;
God Himself that formed the earth and made it;
He hath established it,
He created it not in vain, (Tohu)
He formed it to be inhabited:
I am the LORD;
and there is none else.'

(Isa 45:18)

I beheld the earth, and, lo,
it was without form, and void;
('tohu va bohu')
and the heavens,
and they had no light.'

(Jer 4:23) 

* God made it not 'without form and void', it became so.
 
* I will not enter into speculation regarding this, for it could lead to error, but believe that there is sufficient reason to believe this is the case.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad



Tohu: (usage) - meaning, 'to lie waste'.
Strong's Concordance No. H8414

Bohu: - meaning, 'to be empty'.
Strong's Concordance No. H922

* The word 'was' in Gen 1:2, is altered in the margin of my Bible to the word, 'became'.


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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2017, 02:50:09 PM »
Hi Chris
Thanks for your post a good read you said.

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* The words, 'image' and 'likeness', would seem to mean, 'a representation of', (Adam bore a son with his own 'likeness').   It means an outward resemblance: God took human form in order to redeem. That redemption process began with the 6 days creation and will continue until the goal is reached, and God is 'all in all' - 1Cor.15:28 .
 

I can agree with this 1Cor.15:28  is what I have bean trying to say that the creation process will not end till this quotation is reached 

then you said.

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* I also noticed the words, 'and replenish the earth'.  I believe that the 6 days creation in itself was an act of redemption. That between the creation of, 'The Heaven' and, 'The Earth' of Genesis 1, and verse 2, something of a  destructive nature occurred ('a judgment' as in Jer ref. below?), for Gen.1:2, tells us, it, ' was' (or 'became') 'without form and void' = 'tohu va bohu'  (see Isaiah 45:18 also - 'tohu' ).
 

I think theirs a lot in what you say here I believe destructive nature you are referring to may well be the flood the world being empty and void the the words  replenish the earth make more sense don't you think.
Like I have said before I believe we should view the 7 days of this creation starting with Noah there was a creation before Noah of course but that was wiped out with the flood.
I think maybe Genesis 2 tells of this where God creates the man from the dust of the ground the man being Israel the dust all the descendants of Noah out of which God chose Abram the rest is history.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2017, 12:43:38 PM »
Hi Chris
Thanks for your post a good read you said.

I can agree with this 1Cor.15:28  is what I have bean trying to say that the creation process will not end till this quotation is reached 

then you said.

I think theirs a lot in what you say here I believe destructive nature you are referring to may well be the flood the world being empty and void the the words  replenish the earth make more sense don't you think.
Like I have said before I believe we should view the 7 days of this creation starting with Noah there was a creation before Noah of course but that was wiped out with the flood.
I think maybe Genesis 2 tells of this where God creates the man from the dust of the ground the man being Israel the dust all the descendants of Noah out of which God chose Abram the rest is history.

Love and Peace
Dave

Hello Dave, (@davetaff)

I do not think that the flood in Noah's day is the subject here, but the words of Genesis 1:1 & 2,

'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was
(or, 'became') without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'


* Here there are waters.  Which could, 'possibly', be the result of a judgment of God, as in Jeremiah 4:23.

'I beheld the earth, and, lo,
it was without form, and void;('tohu va bohu')
and the heavens,
and they had no light.'


* God says following the flood in Noah's day,

'And I will establish my covenant with you;
neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood;
neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.'

(Gen.9:11)
   
'And I will remember my covenant,
which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh;
and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.'

(Gen.9:15)

* The words, 'any more', and, 'no more', do not preclude the possibility that God's judgment had fallen in the form of a flood on more than one occasion, prior to this promise being given. 

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Cariad

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2017, 02:46:01 PM »
Hi Chris
Thank you for your reply I think I am not making my self very clear you said.

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I do not think that the flood in Noah's day is the subject here, but the words of Genesis 1:1 & 2,

'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was (or, 'became') without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'
   

I agree with you this is nothing to do with Noah as such but what it dose do is describe the state of the world during the flood the world became without form and void  it reverted to what it was in the beginning.

Then God began a new creation with everything that was in the ark as humans and animals where in the ark God did not need recreate them the only thing missing was man in Gods image.

There was a creation before the flood and it has a lot to tell us about the creation process.

The new creation will take 7 days to complete from Noah 1000 years for a day for example on the 4th day God created the Lights to rule the day and the night the lights in this creation our Lord Jesus Christ the light of the world and the Church this happened on day 4 4000 years after the flood.

The last day of this creation the 7th day is Gods Sabbath rest when Christ takes over to finish the work.

I hope some of this makes some sense

Love and Peace
Dave       

 

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2017, 07:08:18 PM »
Hi
When the first creation of man in Gods image failed when Israel rejected there king a new creation began with Christ as the new Jacob or Israel he has 12 sons the 12 apostles
As with Israel one was rejected and the 2 sons of Joseph received half each.

Of our Lords apostle's 1 was rejected and 2 took his place.
We may also ask was there a spiritual flood the water of the word of God and Christ becomes our ark we are saved in his body.

Love and peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2017, 01:14:33 PM »
Hi
When the first creation of man in Gods image failed when Israel rejected there king a new creation began with Christ as the new Jacob or Israel he has 12 sons the 12 apostles
As with Israel one was rejected and the 2 sons of Joseph received half each.

Of our Lords apostle's 1 was rejected and 2 took his place.
We may also ask was there a spiritual flood the water of the word of God and Christ becomes our ark we are saved in his body.

Love and peace
Dave

Hello Dave (@davetaff)

I have read through this thread again, and reading it through it in it's entirety, instead of entry by entry, has enabled me to see the train of your thoughts more clearly.  I also read those by @Tes Johnson, and appreciated his input too. 

What you have observed, and sought to convey is interesting. I realise also, looking back, how I failed to understand what you were endeavouring to explain, and I apologize for that.  Your approach to Scripture is not one that I am familiar with, Dave, so I had a barrier up from the outset, which did not help.

The comparisons you have made between Israel and our Lord Jesus Christ, as with all of your points of comparison, need careful thought with an open Bible and prayerful consideration.

The points you raised in, 'Sin and it's origin', are elaborated in this thread, which is why I have read it through.  If you want to pursue this further, please do.

With love in Christ Jesus
Cariad