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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2016, 10:35:49 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thanks for your reply How about.

Mat 26:26  And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Christ is the bread of heaven and he said to his disiples

Mar 8:17  And when Jesus knew it, he saith unto them, Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?
Mar 8:18  Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?
Mar 8:19  When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve.
Mar 8:20  And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven.
Mar 8:21  And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?

I take it from these verses that Christ expected them to understand more about the miracle than what appeared on the surface.
The bread Christ offers us leads to eternal life.

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Dave   

Please bear with me, Dave, (davetaff)

I do not doubt that the Lord Jesus Christ is The Bread of Life, for John 6 makes that very clear. But, I do not think that this is necessarily what the healing of the blind man, and the  challenge the Lord makes to his disciples concerning their lack of understanding in Mark 8 is intended to reveal.

Forgive me, Dave, I do not seem to be able to make myself understood.  We now appear to be talking at cross purposes.

Please move on with your thoughts on Genesis, my friend, as though I had not said anything.

With love to you, in Christ Jesus
Cariad

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2016, 03:46:12 PM »
Hi Cariad
Ok lets take a look at day 4

Gen 1:14  And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15  And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16  And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17  And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18  And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19  And the evening and the morning were the fourth day

The 4000th year from Noah day 4 of this new creation Our Lord Jesus Christ is born into the world He is the light of the world is he not
Represented by the sun.
The lesser light is the moon it has no light of it's own but has the reflected light of the sun maybe this is what Paul meant when he said. 

1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

The glass as in mirror the stars of course are the children of God the, Light and darkness are Good and evil but when we get to revelations we read.

 Rev 21:23  And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

There is no darkness only light.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2016, 11:09:22 AM »
Hello Dave, (@davetaff)

Praise God! He is indeed, 'the light of the world'.

* Speaking of Israel, also, God, through Isaiah says concerning their Messiah, and a day yet to come.

'Arise, shine; for thy light is come,
and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,
and gross darkness the people:
but the LORD shall arise upon thee,
and His glory shall be seen upon thee.
And the Gentiles shall come to thy light,

and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Lift up thine eyes round about, and see:
all they gather themselves together, they come to thee:
thy sons shall come from far,
and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Then thou shalt see, and flow together,
and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged;
because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee,
the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.'

(Isa 60:1)

* A study on, 'light', alone would be a blessing to do. 

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Cariad
 

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2016, 02:35:03 PM »
Hi Craiad
Thanks for your post Isa 60:1 is a great portion of scripture thanks I do think this is telling us of our Lords first advent to Israel but of course it could have a double meaning telling of his coming in glory in the last day.

so on to the next part of my theory on the creation of man in Gods image it's the forth day Christ is born into the world the light of the world first and foremost he came to Israel as there king and they rejected him and crucified him when this happened Israel was rejected you could say when Christ died Israel died as well at least for a time but they will be raised up in the last day.

Then God raises up our Lord from the grave and so begins a new creation why do I say this because our Lord said.

 Mar 13:20  And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Which days is he referring to not an ordinary 24 hour day so I say it is the days of creation of man in Gods image 3000 years not 6000 yes a new creation as Paul tells us.

2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:[a] The old has gone, the new is here

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2016, 04:26:51 PM »
Hi
Jest wondering in light of the following verses should we view the gentiles in a different light.

 11  and saw heaven open and something like a large linen sheet coming down, being lowered by its four corners to the ground.

 12  In it were all kinds of four-footed animals, reptiles, and birds of the air.

 13  Then a voice told him, ?Get up, Peter! Kill something and eat it.?

 14  But Peter said, ?Absolutely not, Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean!?

 15  Again the voice came to him a second time, ?You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean

In the creation story all the animals come first the last creation is man which is Israel .

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2016, 05:03:49 PM »
Hi
Jest wondering in light of the following verses should we view the gentiles in a different light.

Genesis 10:11-15

In the creation story all the animals come first the last creation is man which is Israel .

Love and Peace
Dave

'And saw heaven opened,
and a certain vessel descending unto him,
as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners,
and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth,
.. and wild beasts,
.... and creeping things,
...... and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him,
...... "Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."
But Peter said,
...... "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."
And the voice spake unto him again the second time,
...... "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

(Genesis 10:11-15)

Hello Dave (davetaff),

I don't understand.  The animals were created before man, yes, but the first man created was representative of all mankind, wasn't he?

Israel and the nations (gentiles) don't appear on the scene until much later.

In Christ Jesus
Cariad


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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2016, 02:23:19 PM »
Hi Cariad
Thank's for your reply sorry I did not make myself clear when Peter in his vision saw all the animals inside the sheet represented the gentiles not man which is Israel.
So when Noah left the ark with his family and they spread out and filled the earth there was no man in gods image all the humans of that time were classed with the rest of the animal kingdom.
 so God set about creating man its interesting to note the wording

Gen_1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

note man in our image meaning more than one but God is one, so God sets about making the man he starts with Abram and the rest is history mind you the creation of Israel is similar to a normal pregnancy.
Also interesting to note that man ( Christ the last Adam) will have dominion over the earth when he comes as King of Kings and Lord of Lords then the prophecy of the above verse will be fulfilled.
Thats why I say that Genesis stretches over a very long period of time.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: Genesis (the seed-plot of the whole Bible) and Revelation compared
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2016, 10:06:50 AM »
Hi Cariad
Thank's for your reply sorry I did not make myself clear when Peter in his vision saw all the animals inside the sheet represented the gentiles not man which is Israel.
So when Noah left the ark with his family and they spread out and filled the earth there was no man in gods image all the humans of that time were classed with the rest of the animal kingdom.
 so God set about creating man its interesting to note the wording

Gen_1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

note man in our image meaning more than one but God is one, so God sets about making the man he starts with Abram and the rest is history mind you the creation of Israel is similar to a normal pregnancy.
Also interesting to note that man ( Christ the last Adam) will have dominion over the earth when he comes as King of Kings and Lord of Lords then the prophecy of the above verse will be fulfilled.
Thats why I say that Genesis stretches over a very long period of time.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Hi Dave,

I do understand what you are saying, even if I do not always agree with your conclusions. :)

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Cariad